Rep. Deal Reported to Have Formally Requested Obama’s Birth Certificate (Confirmed)

by Phil on 01/5/2010

Wednesday, January 6, 2009 update:

Ballot-access.org confirms that the letter has, in fact, been sent:

U.S. House member Nathan Deal, a Republican from northwest Georgia, sent a letter to President Barack Obama on December 1, 2009, asking the President to furnish a more complete birth certificate. See this story. Congressman Deal’s office confirms that the story is true. However, no response to the letter has been received. Deal’s web page does not appear to mention his letter.

Deal, an attorney, was elected to Congress in 1992 as a Democrat. He switched parties in 1995. He is currently running for Governor. He was re-elected in 2008 with more than 75% of the vote. Thanks to Bill Van Allen for the link.

Deal has not co-sponsored HB 1503, the bill to require candidates for President to file a birth certificate with the Federal Election Commission. That bill only has eleven co-sponsors.

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After I reported on Rep. Nathan Deal’s (R-GA) forthcoming request for Mr. Obama’s birth certificate (along with a previous update), the following commentary from “Pixel Patriot” at the CitizenWells blog reports that Rep. Deal sent a PDF document to the White House on December 1, 2009:

I have just spoken with Todd Smith, the Chief of Staff for Representative Nathan Deal of the United States House of Representatives serving Georgia’s 9th district.

(FACT)
Representative Deal has sent a letter to Putative President Barack Hussein Obama requesting him to prove his eligibility for the office of President of the United States of America. The letter was sent electronically the first of December 2009 in pdf format and Mr. Smith said that Representative Deal has confirmation by Putative President Obama’s staff that it has been received. The letter did not have additional signatories. It originated solely from Representative Deal.

At this time, Rep. Deal’s site provides no immediate confirmation of the above news, nor does a cursory Google news search. Nevertheless, it is sometimes better confirmation to hear from someone who has actually contacted the Representative’s office instead of waiting for anyone in the press to pick up on the story.

“Pixel Patriot” went on to give their opinion on the context of this story:

Now, what does his mean? This is probably the first time in 233 years of American history that a sitting member of the House of Representatives has officially challenged the legitimacy of a sitting president….one full year into his term.

This forever changes the public discourse.

Even if the Putative President ignores the challenge, he cannot hide from it; because by doing so he admits his guilt through silence. The question has to be asked near and far, why would a President who has promised greater transparency than any previous administration; pay upwards of 2 million dollars of taxpayer money to hide documents that could resolve the matter once and for all-time for a price of twenty dollars. He has publically admitted on more than one occasion that his father was NOT an American citizen. This alone disqualifies him from eligibility based on Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 5 of the Constitution, and consequently makes him a usurper.

Representative Deal understanding full well the magnitude and gravity of the situation and recognizing that it places our country in a national security crisis, has rightfully confronted the issue head on. The ramifications are so serious that all laws signed by a Putative President are null and void and soldiers sent into war under his command can be tried as war criminals.

Representative Deal is not a “Birther”, he is a “Truther”; as the millions of others who have been seeking irrefutable proof for over a year and a half!

Not a single law suit to date has been decided on the merits of the case with numerous cases yet to be resolved or dismissed.

To show support for Representative Deal, you may contact him here:

The Honorable Nathan Deal
2133 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-1009
DC Phone: 202-225-5211
DC Fax: 202-225-8272
Email Address: http://www.house.gov/deal/contact.shtml
WWW Homepage: http://www.house.gov/deal/

See the following links regarding the eligibility saga:

-Phil

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There are 37 comments in this article:

  1. 01/6/2010elspeth says:

    Full disclosure.

  2. 01/6/2010Nick says:

    Once and For All. Why won’t Barack put to rest the controversy by showing proof? American citizens deserve that much! Don’t we?

  3. 01/6/2010Dave S says:

    Go Rep. Deal! Godspeed!

  4. 01/6/2010Black Lion says:

    Read the following sentence from the article…

    “At this time, Rep. Deal’s site provides no immediate confirmation of the above news, nor does a cursory Google news search.”

    Basically all you have is the word of a poster, the pixel patriot, that claims that Deal actually wrote the letter. Before you get excited let us wait until we get some sort of official announcement. I would think that after Deal made such a public display of making the claim he was going to send a letter, he would have announced that he sent one if he actually had done it. So I remain skeptical that he has actually written it. So until there is an official release from Deal, there is no proof that the letter has been written. So until we hear something, the pixel patriots word and statement is just unverifiable hearsay.

    So I agree with Elspeth, full disclosure. Rep. Deal, lets see some evidence that you actually sent this letter and it says what you claim that it said. Until then you’ve got nothing.

  5. 01/6/2010qwertyman says:

    So until there is an official release from Deal, there is no proof that the letter has been written. So until we hear something, the pixel patriots word and statement is just unverifiable hearsay.

    Deal may have sent this letter and just not told anybody, but if I were a White House staffer and I just had a member of Congress out themselves as a kooky conspiracy theorist (Deal’s only talked about the Kenyan-birth conspiracy theory, the one that there’s not a single scrap of evidence to support) I would try to make sure the press knew that a member of the House had subscribed to such lunacy.

  6. 01/6/2010Joss Brown says:

    Who cares?! Won’t change a thing. The birth certificate is a smokescreen. It can never be proof that Obama is a natural born citizen (only a federal court can decide on the eligibility), it can only prove that he was born in the US (which is highly probable anyway). So yeah Mr. Deal, go get you wonderful “evidence”. Meh. People just don’t learn, do they…? Or rather: They seem to fall for everything.

  7. 01/6/2010elspeth says:

    While Black Lion is chanting with me, it seems in mockery and not unity.

    We should all remember that if Obama’s eligibility issue didn’t matter, there would be no opposition.

    The presence of commenters in opposition of any disclosure should remind us all that they are only present and actively against those seeking answers to simple questions because it does matter.

    They wouldn’t bother if it didn’t matter.

    Full disclosure.

  8. 01/7/2010Benaiah says:

    National security adviser: Airline bomber report to ’shock’
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-01-06-terror_N.htm

    WASHINGTON — White House national security adviser James Jones says Americans will feel “a certain shock” when they read an account being released Thursday of the missed clues that could have prevented the alleged Christmas Day bomber from ever boarding the plane.

    President Obama “is legitimately and correctly alarmed that things that were available, bits of information that were available, patterns of behavior that were available, were not acted on,” Jones said in an interview Wednesday with USA TODAY.

    “That’s two strikes,” Obama’s top White House aide on defense and foreign policy issues said, referring to the foiled bombing of the Detroit-bound airliner and the shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, in November. In that case, too, officials failed to act when red flags were raised about an Army psychiatrist, Maj. Nidal Hasan. He has been charged with killing 13 people.

    Jones said Obama “certainly doesn’t want that third strike, and neither does anybody else.”

    The Third Strike…

    Barack Hussein Obama, Jihadist in Chief
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/24002947/Allahu-Akhbar

    We the people “are legitimately and correctly alarmed that things that are available, bits of information that are available, patterns of behavior that are available, are not acted on [regarding the Jihadist in Chief]”

  9. 01/7/2010qwertyman says:

    We should all remember that if Obama’s eligibility issue didn’t matter, there would be no opposition.

    The presence of commenters in opposition of any disclosure should remind us all that they are only present and actively against those seeking answers to simple questions because it does matter.

    They wouldn’t bother if it didn’t matter.

    If it doesn’t matter whether the people believe the Holocaust happened or not, why would there be opposition commenters?

    On boards questioning the history of the Holocaust, the presence of commenters in opposition of any disclosure should remind us that they are only present and actively against those seeking answers to simple questions about the “so-called Holocaust” because it does matter.

    They wouldn’t bother if it didn’t matter.

  10. 01/7/2010Benaiah says:

    Obama Enablers are equivalent to Holocaust Deniers…

  11. 01/7/2010ann says:

    Re: “Why won’t Barack put to rest the controversy by showing proof? American citizens deserve that much! Don’t we?”

    Obama has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. He was the first, and so far the only, US president to show his birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate, and it is the only one that Hawaii sends out. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html). The Certification of Live Birth is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.

    And, in Obamas’ case, the facts on the Certification, that he was born in Hawaii, were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration).

    In the latest comment, the head of the Department of Health said:

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

    That clearly says that the original documents verify the Certification and that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    The Wall Street Journal commented: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”

  12. 01/7/2010Ken says:

    Obama himself has admitted in his “auto”biographies that his father was a British subject at the time of Obo’s birth….this FACT alone disqualifies him from running or serving as Potus, because of dual citizenship.
    Judge Carter in California dismissed the case because of the impact on the country of throwing a sitting president out of office, and because he said no court could dismiss a sitting president….however, what he missed is: If Obama is not qualified, then even after swearing in, he is NOT the legal President…No different than disbaring an attorney who holds no law degree or license to practice law….you don’t disbar them, you just file charges aginst them, arrest them and try them.
    The problem is…who in Washington, especially the attorney general, will investigate, accuse, arrest, and try him? Someone out there has to come up with a way that thousands, even millions of us can file some type of quick, inexpensive legal civil action that even Obo, using our tax money and DOJ attorneys, must answer each and every action????? Or, is there some action that our states attorney can file??? We need a plan, and help developing it.

  13. 01/7/2010Ken says:

    Reply to Ann:
    The COB is NOT a legal Birth Certificate…it is a certification of live birth…..big, big difference. Especially when Hawaii at the period of OBama’s birth allowed NON CITIZENS, WITH CHILDREN BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES TO receive a COB if the parents stated they held Hawaii as their primary residence for at least one year prior. A legal BIRTH CERTIFICATE has the place of birth, time of birth, attending Doctor, name and citizenship of the mother, name and citizenship of the father, race of the mother, race of the father, signature of witnesses, and the official seal and date of the state which issued the BC. The COB is a modern document with only minimal information, made at the time of a request for the document, and can be filled our with any information the preparer wishes to put into it…that is the reason the real LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE is so valuable, because it is the only original document with all the legal information intact, and cannot be altered in any way.
    What you also fail to acknowledge is that Obama himself “admitted” on numerous campaign speeches, and in both of his autobiographies that “his father was a citizen of Kenya (hence a British subject)” at the time of Obama’s birth….this AUTOMATICALY gives Obama dual citizenship, which by US CONSTITUTION Law, makes him inelligible to run or serve as POTUS. Any citizen of the US, who was born with dual citizenship status cannot ever run for or serve as President !!
    The framers of the Constitution felt very very strongly about this because of the conflict of loyalty, etc. that a person with dual citizenship might have….we did not write the Constitution….they did, but God help us all if we continue to ignore and erode the Constitution to fit our adjendas!
    SIMPLY PUT…even if Obama was born in Hawaii, and even if he renounced his British citizenship which he received at birth as the result of his father being a British subject….by the CONSTITUTION….HE CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT…unless you wish to throw away the Constitution…if you do, then you do not deserve to be an American citizen and do not deserve to live in America.

  14. 01/7/2010Sue says:

    Thought this was rather interesting.

    http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/banished/forsyth.html
    Forsyth County, Georgia

    If I’m not mistaken, part of Congressman Deal’s constituency includes Forsyth County, Georgia. Speaks volumes.

  15. 01/7/2010Sue says:

    Actually, I don’t think Congressman Deal has requested President Obama’s birth certificate.

    http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2010/01/06/deals-letter-to-obama-makes-him-birther-movement-hero/
    excerpts
    “Deal Chief of Staff Todd Smith today told CL that the congressman sent Obama a letter in early December that addresses constituents’ concerns about the president’s birth certificate. Smith says the White House acknowledged receiving the missive.

    However, Smith says, Deal didn’t request Obama’s birth certificate — the letter was about the hullabaloo that’s erupted about the document’s authenticity.

    (Smith, who was hesitant to discuss the letter’s specifics, provided little information about its contents and declined to furnish CL with a copy. He said a blog post that reported Smith as confirming the request for Obama’s birth certificate — and which has sparked an online feeding frenzy — was “inaccurate.” The White House did not respond to CL’s request for the letter.)”

    Birthers reporting inaccurate information? Typical.

  16. 01/7/2010brygenon says:

    Ken claims:

    The COB is NOT a legal Birth Certificate…it is a certification of live birth…..big, big difference.

    According to a spokesperson for Hawaii, under the administration of Republican Governor Linda Lingle:

    “The department only issues ‘certifications’ of live births, and that is the ‘official birth certificate’ issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.”
    http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

    Especially when Hawaii at the period of OBama’s birth allowed NON CITIZENS, WITH CHILDREN BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES TO receive a COB if the parents stated they held Hawaii as their primary residence for at least one year prior.

    President Obama’s COLB shows he was born in Honolulu on the island of Oahu. Ken, do you really think that Honolulu is “OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES”? Can you read a map?
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

  17. 01/8/2010Benaiah says:

    Onablers,

    The issue of whether or not Obama is “eligible to the office of President” depends upon whether or not he is an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States.

    The phrase “natural born citizen” “must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution”.

    United States v. Wong Kim Ark., 18 S. Ct. 456, 169 U.S. 649 (U.S. 03/28/1898)

    [1] SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

    [16] The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words ["citizen of the United States," and "natural-born citizen of the United States"], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this, as in other respects, it [The Constitution] must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution. Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162; Ex parte Wilson, 114 U.S. 417, 422; Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 624, 625; Smith v. Alabama, 124 U.S. 465. The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. 1 Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States, 91 U.S. 270, 274.

    The “common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution” was plainly expressed by the Supreme Court of the United States in the dissenting opinion of Scott v. Sandford, which quoted Vattel, and explicitly stated, “The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens…”

    Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856)

    [1] UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

    [418] …The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens…

    Furthermore, the Supreme Court of the United States, in Minor v. Happersett, confirmed the definition of a “natural born citizen” as “children born in a country of parents who were its citizens”.

    Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 162 (1874)

    “ ‘No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President’… The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

    Finally, the Supreme Court of the United States, in The Venus, relied upon Vattel’s “Law of Nations” as the authority on citizenship issues.

    The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814

    “Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, [Vattel] says, ‘…The natives, or indigenes [natural born citizens], are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.’ ”

    Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives

    …The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

    Suffice it to say, Article II “natural born citizens” are those citizens who are “born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

    Hence, Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States, even if he was born in Hawaii, as his father was a “foreigner”.

    To reiterate, Obama’s father was not a citizen of the United States. Therefore, Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States, even if he was born in Hawaii.

    Thus, Obama is not Constitutionally qualified or “eligible to the office of President”.

    Benaiah

  18. 01/8/2010woops says:

    I really am sick and tired of people asking for the “birth certificate”.

    Seriously, think about that for a moment…..

    Now think about this: How can congress, the senate, the supreme court, federal judges ASSUME a KENYAN NATIONAL father can have a son who is a natural born citizen? By what right? This topic is discussed at length and the whole reason for natural born citizenship requirement to be president is to prevent dual allegiances. You see? Right there, a KENYAN NATIONAL FATHER, and you get complete and utter corruption of our government. The birth certificate, the newspaper article, the hospital, it doesn’t matter. Natural born citizenship status can never be legislated, and if you don’t have it you can never get it.

    Now the sealed and hidden vital records, they absolutely do matter. If these documents EVER see the light of day you would see what a lying, cheating sack of dog shit the poser running around as president of the united states really is. It’s already CLEAR he’s not a natural born citizen. soetoro even signed the document declaring McCain a natural born citizen had PLURAL both PARENTS being citizens (what unmitigated gaul of barry, and yet NO ONE challenges barry’s OBVIOUS fraudulent claim of natural born citizenship status). This country has a huge cancerous tumor bulging right out of its ass and its called ‘barack obama’. Remember, there have been many attempts to eliminate the natural born citizenship requirement by congress, but it never goes any where. There is the obvious reason for it. What is happening now is a real life horror movie. The news media, senate, house, judges, all act like there is nothing wrong. Like the Stepford Wives. Almost as if with one thought they levy fines, label us crazy, write letters on official letterheads claiming “There is no problem” with the perfect reason that “the directory of information for Hawai’i said so.”

    This eligiblity question must be properly settled. The people absolutely must refuse – in every way that we are forced to act by an obviously corrupt government – to accept a usurper as the president of the united states.

  19. 01/8/2010earl says:

    Ken says:
    January 7, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    *The COB is NOT a legal Birth Certificate…*

    Of course a COLB is a legal birth certificate. This line of opposition to Obama’s COLB has no basis in the law and has been debunked here repeatedly by citing the applicable Hawaiian statutes. Here are the Hawaiian statutes that say a certified copy is equivalent to the original:
    “§338-13(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.”
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm
    “§338-19 The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original. ”
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0019.htm
    By the way, the US Constitution, Article IV Section 1 says every state shall respect the public records laws of every other state. It is called the “full faith and credit clause”. Hawaii says their COLB is equivalent to a birth certificate, so all the other states accept it as such too.

  20. 01/8/2010Black Lion says:

    It seems like Deal has perfected Pandering 101. In other words let us do what it take to get votes….I especially like how all of a sudden he is media shy after making such a big production about writing the letter in the first place…

    Interesting article….

    Yesterday, a Friend of Politijab called Rep. Deal’s office and spoke with his Chief of Staff, Todd Smith, about Deal’s letter to the President of the United States, apparently asking to see his birth certificate:

    1. I asked Mr. Smith if Congressman Deal was going to release the letter he had sent to President Obama and he stated, “not at this time.” I asked Mr. Smith what the letter had requested from President Obama and he stated, “proof of President Obama’s citizenship and natural born citizen status so they could put this issue to rest.” I asked Mr. Smith if he was aware that President Obama had released his birth certificate online to factcheck and that the State of Hawaii had confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawaii. Mr. Smith said, “yes, but someone had told him that something on the back of the birth certificate was not right.” I asked Mr. Smith where he obtained this info and he would not tell me. Basically, Mr. Smith stated that they are waiting for the President to respond to their letter. Mr. Smith claims Congressman Deal has not done a press release on this and are not after publicity but are doing this because of his constituents concerns. Then I asked him if Mr. Smith was aware that release of the birth certificate (again) would not put this matter to rest as he claims Congressman Deal wants because of the nbc = 2 citizen parents BS. Mr. Smith states there are no other congressmen involved at the present time; however, they have discussed this issue with some other congressmen but would not say who. I asked if I could send Mr. Smith some information regarding this issue and he stated, “no, that he had all the information he needed.”

    2. I asked Mr. Smith if Congressman Deal believed that to be a nbc = 2 citizen parents and he stated that he wasn’t sure what Congressman Deal believed but their constituents felt their was some questions regarding this issue (natural born citizen) that had merit. My response was of course, that in my opinion, this was well settled law. I asked to send him some info regarding this and he refused to accept any info.

    3. I asked Mr. Smith if Congressman Deal supported the CGJ/AGJ and he did not answer my question one way or the other. So, not sure. I pointed out to Mr. Smith that these groups had already tried, convicted and sentenced President Obama in their online grand juries.

    4. I asked Mr. Smith if Congressman Deal was aware that President Obama had been threatened. Mr. Smith was aware of those threats. I asked Mr. Smith if Congressman Deal was aware that judges who had rendered decisions in the eligibility lawsuits had been threatened, accused of treason, etc., etc. Mr. Smith stated, “that he was not aware of this.” I asked Mr. Smith if he wanted some information regarding this and he stated, “no”.

    5. Mr. Smith asked me if I had contacted my representatives regarding this issue.(Deal letter) My reply was, “no, because none of my representatives had signed the letter to President Obama.” However, that I had spoken to some Congressmen’s (staffers) regarding this issue in the past. Mr. Smith asked who my reps were and I told him.

    6. I was about to ask Mr. Smith if Congressman Deal had read the judges decisions in these eligibility lawsuits but Mr. Smith asked what my stance was regarding this issue. I told him that President Obama was eligible to be POTUS (had released his BC and Hawaii confirmed) and that if you were born in America, you were a natural born citizen–end of story. Mr. Smith stated, “this conversation is over” and would not answer any more of my questions, but asked for my name, which I gave him, again. (I identified myself and my State at the beginning of our conversation.) I stated, “fine, thank you”, and hung up the phone.

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=5920

  21. 01/8/2010Phil says:

    Black Lion,

    Excellent find over at OhFOrGoodnessSake.com. I don’t agree with that blogger much, but you can’t beat a lot of the questions posed in the posting.

    I’ll be using this as a basis for an upcoming posting following up on Rep. Deal’s actions on this matter, with coverage from certain media outlets.

    -Phil

  22. 01/8/2010Black Lion says:

    Phil says:
    January 8, 2010 at 10:27 am
    Black Lion,

    Excellent find over at OhFOrGoodnessSake.com. I don’t agree with that blogger much, but you can’t beat a lot of the questions posed in the posting.

    I’ll be using this as a basis for an upcoming posting following up on Rep. Deal’s actions on this matter, with coverage from certain media outlets.

    -Phil
    __________________________________________________________________
    Phil, agreed. They were excellent questions. Looking forward to your next posting….

  23. 01/8/2010Manchurian Messiah says:

    I AIN’T SAYIN’ NOTHIN’ ‘CAUSE I DON’T NEED TO ANSWER TO NO CRACKER.

    MM

    P.S. Plus, I’m a distinguished, honest man, who has already beaten the system. I won the Nobel prize!

    P.P.S. Deal is a dummy.

  24. 01/8/2010Nicknack says:

    For all who say the COB is as good as the long form answer me this:

    What was Barry’s weight when he was born and at what time was he born. Please cite the definitive source when responding.

  25. 01/9/2010brygenon says:

    Nicknack says:

    For all who say the COB is as good as the long form answer me this:

    What was Barry’s weight when he was born and at what time was he born. Please cite the definitive source when responding.

    Sure, right after you cite the constitutional requirement on the president’s birth weight.

    Incidentally, the time of birth is on the COLB: 7:24 PM.

  26. 01/9/2010brygenon says:

    woops says:

    I really am sick and tired of people asking for the “birth certificate”.

    Seriously, think about that for a moment…..

    Now think about this: How can congress, the senate, the supreme court, federal judges ASSUME a KENYAN NATIONAL father can have a son who is a natural born citizen? By what right? This topic is discussed at length and the whole reason for natural born [...]

    Right here is the kind of fringe-thinking that fascinates me. W, do you ever take a step back and wonder: Is it more likely that all those legal authorities incorrectly “ASSUME” what the law is, or that you do?

  27. 01/9/2010woops says:

    Brygenon,

    Nice try. Fringe thinkging huh? Well, let’s have a look at the senate resolution regarding john mccain’s natural born citizenship status:

    RESOLUTION

    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ of the United States;

    Whereas the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

    Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to American CITIZENS serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

    Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’;

    Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

    Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

    Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American CITIZENS on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

    You see?! barack obama co sponsored and signed this resolution!!! born of CITIZENS parents….PLURAL. what a piece of shit barry is.

    Please…. i hope the above fascinates you. You might call it for what it is though, instead of fringe thinking, how about calling it the TRUTH!

  28. 01/9/2010elspeth says:

    Why it is important to know the eligibility of the person elected to the office of President:

    If in the opinion of the People the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit which the use can at any time yield. – George Washington, in his Farewell Address

    Full disclosure, already!

  29. 01/9/2010brygenon says:

    woops says:

    Brygenon,

    Nice try. Fringe thinkging huh? Well, let’s have a look at the senate resolution regarding john mccain’s natural born citizenship status:

    RESOLUTION

    [snip]

    You see?! barack obama co sponsored and signed this resolution!!! born of CITIZENS parents….PLURAL. what a piece of shit barry is.

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition.

    So Obama and McCain are both natural born citizens. Why is that such a hard concept for you?

    Please…. i hope the above fascinates you. You might call it for what it is though, instead of fringe thinking, how about calling it the TRUTH!

    I love it when you demo my case. You’re know up against all those legal authorities, but still desperate to cling to your delusions.

  30. 01/10/2010woops says:

    brygenon

    i cannot refute that. i’m reading the same web pages you are, and it is their indication at least to me that jurisdiction does not mean territory it means subject to rules and laws.

    Recent Hamas refugees to the u.s. which barry housed here
    on the taxpayers dime…may have a child this evening and he may one day meet all eligibility requirements for u.s. president.

    that may be the law. it clearly defies the intent and reasoning of the “natural born citizenship” requirement for a u.s. president outlined in “law of nations”.

    barry soetoro is a piece of shit. certainly if you don’t believe that, you cannot deny he is a liar, admitted criminal, marxist, and fraud.

    when a man who holds the office of president of the u.s. hides all his vital records from the public he contradicts the good faith voters have given him. the people have a right to know who and what he is, yet no one knows. barry is not right in so many ways.

  31. 01/11/2010ann says:

    Re: “when a man who holds the office of president of the u.s. hides all his vital records from the public he contradicts the good faith voters have given him.”

    Obama has not hidden his vital records. He has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, the only one that Hawaii currently issues (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html). The facts on the official birth certificate, that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, were twice confirmed by the officials in Hawaii (members of a Republican governor’s administration).

  32. 01/11/2010woops says:

    ann,

    you are one eye blind. you see what you want to see.

    will anything i say help? i doubt it. Try these:

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/

    Senator Charles Schumer (D) New York on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ6iLuyCAx0 says:

    “WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE PUBLIC INCLUDING YOUR FULL MEDICAL RECORDS. I BELIEVE IN A RIGHT TO PRIVACY, BUT WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, WHICH IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT JOB, THE NEED OF THE PUBLIC SUPERCEDES IT.”

    Original, vault copy birth certificate: Not released (attorney’s fees are estimated to be up to about $2 MILLION now, instead of HI birth certificate fee of under $20 bucks)

    Certification of Live Birth: Released (Just a computer photograph has been released. Even a child could open this picture up in notepad and see it has an Apple Adobe Photoshop header): Document Experts state it is a FORGERY

    (Ann: Hawaii has, since barry soetoro has been parading as president of the u.s., changed both their nomenclature and their definitions. what was once a certification of live birth is now a birth certificate, etc. very confusing…and its meant to be.)

    Obama/Dunham marriage license: Not released (if one exists)
    Obama/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators)
    Kindergarten records: Not released; School claims records are”LOST”
    Soetoro/Dunham marriage license: Not released
    Soetoro adoption records: Not released
    Fransaskois Assisi School School application: Not released
    Poncho School records: Not released
    Soetoro/Dunham divorce: Not released
    Selective Service Registration: Not released
    Occidental College records: Not released
    Passport: Not released, records scrubbed by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
    Possible to have U.S Passport without providing birth certificate? Yes!, click here for more details.
    Columbia College records: Not released
    Columbia thesis; “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”; Not released
    Harvard College records: Not released
    Harvard Law Review articles: None
    Illinois Bar Records: Not released
    Illinois Driver’s License Record: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for details.
    Baptism certificate: None
    Medical records: Not released
    Illinois State Senate records: None
    Illinois State Senate schedule: UH…, “LOST”
    Law practice client list — Not released
    University of Chicago scholarly articles: None

  33. 01/12/2010Robert says:

    Here is the reason that Obama needs to substantially prove to the people that he has met the Constitution’s natural born citizen requirement to be President:

    The President of the United States is one of the three branches of government. He is the Executive branch. The nation speaks to all people through one voice, the President’s. The President can make treaties, grant pardons, sign and veto legislation, appoint a Cabinet, as well as Supreme Court Justices. In addition to these duties, the President knows the nation’s most important and secure secrets, and as the Commander in Chief of the military, has the military’s nuclear launch codes at the ready, and who can arguably, either take steps to weaken the nation, or even destroy it. In the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, “The president of the United States now for 50 years is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a football that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch the kind of devastating attack the world has never seen. He doesn’t have to check with anybody. He doesn’t have to call the Congress. He doesn’t have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in.” (copied with permission from http://birther.com)

  34. 01/13/2010ann says:

    Re: “Document Experts state it is a FORGERY.”

    Baloney. Two guys who will not give their real names or backgrounds said that it was a forgery. No official or government agency has said it was a forgery or took action. However, the officials of the state of Hawaii have said repeatedly that the essential facts on the published document, that he was born in Hawaii, are the same as the facts in the files.

  35. 01/18/2010elspeth says:

    ann says:
    January 13, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Re: “Document Experts state it is a FORGERY.”

    Baloney. Two guys who will not give their real names or backgrounds said that it was a forgery. No official or government agency has said it was a forgery or took action. However, the officials of the state of Hawaii have said repeatedly that the essential facts on the published document, that he was born in Hawaii, are the same as the facts in the files.

    Who needs to be told that a forgery exists when three different versions of the same document are presented as one?

  36. 01/18/2010elspeth says:

    From the Post & Email:

    the processing information for all such vital records, when requested, is subject to disclosure after the fact, and when one citizen, aware of this, requested such, the DOH was forced in September of 2009 to reveal that Obama’s original birth certificate had been amended and that Obama or his representative has paid a fee to have his certificate amended. This admission was made in the form of a denial on August 18, 2009 to a UIPA request to release such accompanying documents for the amended filing. According to the OIP Manual, a State Agency can only deny the release of documents which actually exist; if they do not exist, they must explicitly say that they do not exist.

    Since all Amendments must be noted on the certificate, an alleged image of an Obama COLB, which does not bear the word “Amended” is a forgery; and since the COLBs bear no such indication, the DOH must have known, this entire time, that both the Factcheck.org and Fight the Smears COLB’s are forgeries.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-overlooked/

    I didn’t see “Amended” on any of the “proof” provided by Obama.

  37. 01/21/2010Dennis says:

    The birth certificate is not the most important thing, although it would be nice to see the long form with the name of hospital and signature of the doctor.

    BHO’s father was a British subject at the time of BHO’s birth; he did not even have a US green card. Allowing BHO to be president is the same as deeming a hypothetical son of Osama Bin Laden and an American woman, born in the US, eligible to be president.

    What is missing from these requests for bc and from the proposed bills, is forcing SCOTUS to define the Constitutional term Natural Born Citizen. Congress could force SCOTUS to do that. Secretary of States or any election committees or Department of Health officials of HI are not qualified to define NBC, neither should Congress attempt it. The separation of powers clearly assigns that task to SCOTUS.

    SCOTUS and the lower courts so far are hell-bent not to define NBC. As Ambassador Alen Keyes puts it, they practice “dereliction of duty”. If you leave the definition to unqualified entities the problem will never be solved.

    It is amazing that our representatives, most of who are lawyers have not arrived to this conclusion: SCOTUS must be forced to define NBC.