589 thoughts on “Donofrio, Pidgeon on Quo Warranto; IPPT v. Chrysler at SCOTUS on TARP”

  1. Today’s post about Beck ridiculing the “birthers” led me back to this post. There are 587 comments! I haven’t read them all, but read through some of the back and forth between Qwertyman and Linda. The following comment by Linda caught my attention:

    Linda says:
    December 13, 2009 at 6:21 pm
    qwertyman says: Quote mining is not nice.

    I did not ‘quote mine’ as you charge me to have, what I did was quote the Edw. III statute that defined what a naturtal born subject was at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

    Blackstone himself concurred with this definition in his Commentaries.

    Further more, I gave the links for all readers to research for themselves and if anyone is ‘quote mining’ it is you. It is a long and exhastive commentary, as well are the other 2 links that it references to and they all come to the same conclusion,

    Native does not equal natural born and as Kent put it, Natives are:

    artificial persons created by law

    Thus there can be nothing natural about a native born person’s citizenship, they aquire it through naturalization under US laws if they so desire.

    This agrees with The Obama File’s archives that recognize the fact that there are actually three kinds of U.S. citizenship – natural born citizen (required for POTUS), native born citizen, and naturalized citizen.

    Consider this. If Obama was so sure that “native born citizen” is considered to be, by Constitutional law, the same as “natural born citizen” (required for POTUS), then why on earth would he spend 1.5 million dollars hiding his COLB and other bona fide documents (which would most likely prove that he attended college in the U.S. as a foreign exchange student)?

    Why all the secrecy?

    Answer: he is hiding something – something BIG! Just like the Dems are hiding what’s in the health care bill. C-span requested recording the discussions and they got a big fat NO. Isn’t this highly disturbing?

    This particular case (IMO) has the best chance of succeeding in the courts. God speed Mr. Pidgeon and Mr. Donofrio!

  2. qwertyman says: The grandfather clause was designed with several of the Framers in mind, particularly Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the West Indies.

    Can you cite a link or an archived historical reference for that? If not you are just regurjitating leftist propaganda that has no evidentiary standing in any court of law.

  3. Show proof or concede, in spite of the many convoluted interpretations of the various ‘citizenship cases’, Ark, Happersett, Elg, etc, that the 14th Amendment, nor any other Act, DID NOT Amend A2S1C5

    Nobody has ever said that that clause of the Constitution has been amended. What has been said over and over and over again is that your interpretation of what that clause means is incorrect, and has not been spoken with approval by a single member of Congress, judge, or legal scholar in America for the past century. The citizenship cases authoritatively interpreted both citizenship under the 14th Amendment and the natural born citizenship clause. As it was discussed interchangeably in Wong, it is considered a closed issue that a citizen at birth and a natural born citizen are one and the same. At the very least, there is no dispute about those born on US soil, as recently seen in the Ankeny case.

    what effect did/does the ‘Grandfather Clause’ of the Original text have on the considerations of British Monarchial Citizenship Common Law versus the Natural Law Citizenship’s as expressed by Aristotle, Cicero, Aquinas, Pufendorf, Grotius, Hobbs, Hume, Leibniz, Locke, and of course, Vattel, not to mention Sun Xu and Macchiavelli ? (Of course you will have to overcome your inclination to portray the Founders as ignorant uneducated religious fanatics with a myopic view of the world not too dissimilar to yours.)

    The grandfather clause was designed with several of the Framers in mind, particularly Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the West Indies.

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