Controversy! Eligibility, NY 23, Global Warming, Oh My!
Phil Wolf, owner of Wolf Interstate Leasing in Wheat Ridge, Colorado, is stirring up quite a bit of controversy over the following billboard he put up appearing to suggest that Mr. Obama is a closet Muslim, tying the alleged belief to his actions regarding the recent Fort Hood terrorist attack, and questioning the President’s eligibility:
Also, regarding those November 6, 2009 resignations… Mr. Bob Bauer, of Perkins Coie fame:
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama, who has never made his original birth certificate available for public scrutiny, hired Perkins Coie to defend him in court cases challenging his status as a “natural born” U.S. citizen — a status upon which Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of President is contingent. According to Federal Election Commission records, OFA has alreadypaid Perkins Coie $1,352,378.95 for its legal services in these cases.
…will now be the White House Chief Counsel. As FrontPageMag goes on (from their lengthy article):
A highly placed Washington attorney (who has served as counsel in the Senate and in previous presidential administrations) characterizes Bauer’s sudden appointment as “pretty damn weird.” “I’m surprised not only that the press seems to be ignoring the fact that two presidential lawyers have left at about the same time,” adds the attorney, “but that no one seems to care that for the first time, I think ever, we have a President’s personal attorney also serving as White House counsel. I don’t care if Bob [Bauer] recuses himself from future personal legal business, this should be troubling to anyone who cares about the Executive Office of the President.”
Ultimately, Anita Dunn’s affinity for Chairman Mao may prove to be far less significant than her husband’s unrivaled familiarity with the skeletons in President Obama’s closet.
Yes, that would also include whatever possible dirt (h/t TheJollyRogers) they can dig up on She Who Would Be President ™:
Perkins Coie is the group responsible for boosting the intensity of one of the most persistent ethics attacks against former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
In an e-mail dated July 14, 2009 Kim Chatman, filed an ethics complaint against Sarah Palin, making the allegation that the governor established a trust fund for the purpose of soliciting donations from members of the public. The original report on this complaint was published in the Anchorage Daily News. Chatman was a co-plaintiff in a federal lawsuit against Palin and filed a complaint regarding Palin’s use of per-diem monies. In all, Chatman leveled
The Alaska Personnel Board asked Perkins Coie to review the complaint. Their nine- page report to the Alaska Personnel Board found essentially nothing, but combined with the pressure of 17 other complaints against the Governor and former candidate for Vice President, may have contributed to her finally leaving office. This complaint was number 13 in that long list.
And did you know that Pastor Dr. James David Manning of Harlem, New York, says that he could potentially be arrested based on the verbiage he’s using “against” the President (h/t SiouxFallsConservativeExaminer)?
Concerning the New York Congressional District 23 House race still being counted, The Gouverneur Times reports that a computer virus could seriously call the results into question:
GOUVERNEUR, NY -- The computerized voting machines used by many voters in the 23rd district had a computer virus -- tainting the results, not just from those machines known to have been infected, but casting doubt on the accuracy of counts retrieved from any of the machines.
There is significantly more at the link, and John Charlton’s The Post & Email performs a run-down of his interpretation regarding the story, including the following tid-bit:
The manufacturer of the machines, Dominion/Sequoia Voting Systems is the same company that Dan Rather accused of causing over 50,000 votes to go uncounted in the 2000 Presidential Election in Florida due to intentional oversight. Rather’s report claimed that Sequoia was well aware of the issues but proceeded into the election utilizing an inferior product and told election workers and technicians to “ignore the problems.
New York election officials are in a corner. While there is significant evidence of malfunction with the new voting machines that were in use in the 23rd District and the accuracy of the recorded votes, the State had no choice but to use them. A Federal Court order demanded that New York have the machines in place and use them or be found in violation of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 which requires that all polling locations have handicapped-accessible voting machines with a variety of options available so that anyone may use the machine to vote.
A separate story by the online newspaper further reports that the “Voting Machines Used Were Not Certified:”
GOUVERNEUR, NY -- The Dominion ImageCast voting machines used in this year’s Nov. 3rd election, both in the 23rd Congressional Special Election and in the local elections around the state have not been certified for use by the State Board of Elections.
Reports of bugs in the programming code, known security flaws, outright failures, and concerns over the potential for tampering have not prevented the State from calling the pilot program “very successful.” …
Computerized voting machines were not used in the City of New York this election as the Board of Elections there refused to use machines that had not been certified by the State.
More than 20 counties in the State have passed resolutions banning the computerized vote-scanning machines.
Is global warming really not an issue after all? HotAir reports that after an email account of high-profile (in the industry) individuals had been hacked, there were apparently a number of embarrassing admissions made. What’s more, as AtlasShrugs reports, the founder of The Weather Channel and “30,000″ other scientists are looking at suing Al Gore on the issue:
-Phil
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Sorry that you’ve never heard of caselaw, Phil.
Opinions of the judiciary have the force of law all the time.
Let’s say that the state legislature passes a law that says “No vehicles in the park.” a kid is arrested for riding a bike in the park. When it comes for trial the kid’s lawyer argues that a bicycle is not a vehicle. The judge has to interpret what constitutes a vehicle for this statute. They may look to the definition in the dictionary, look to other statutes, look to what the legislature intended to do when passing this law, or several other possibilities. What the court decides will be a binding interpretation of what it means to be riding a bike in the park. This has the force of law for the next kid to be riding a bike in the park.
This is called stare decisis and is a critical aspect of our common law system. Holdings and reasoning are binding on future courts. The Indiana court here considered itself bound by the interpretation of natural born citizen put forth in Wong Kim Ark.
Where you may have a point is in the fact that much of the discussion of the natural born citizen clause is dicta. Dicta is not reasoning, and is thus not considered binding. You are correct in that the Indiana Court of Appeals’ decision is not binding on the whole country. They dismissed the case on grounds of standing and then went on to say how frivolous the case was anyway. Nothing but the dismissal for standing is binding. However, it will be considered persuasive authority in other cases.
But really, the chief value of this opinion is that it clearly states that anybody born in the US is a natural born citizen, without reference to the status of the parents. It explicitly states that the holding and reasoning of the Wong case leads to that conclusion.
The odds of the Supreme Court subsequently saying that the interpretation of the Indiana court here was incorrect, that syc’s interpretation of the natural born citizenship clause is correct, which would thereby create the greatest constitutional crisis since the Civil War, is approximately 0.0%.
SanDiegoSam,
I know a lot about medicine, and what you say about Donofrio seems to be the case. I am a man of odds, and from all of my experiences reading him and hearing him on blogtalk etc. there was always something that turned me off about his tenacity. I can see the self-absorbed hint that you point to. Definitely.
That said, nothing about HIM as a person has anything to do with his arguments. They speak for themselves. So people must decide how valid they are.
I agree, it seems all too predictable that he’ll be back. He will. I’m uncertain what the status of everything is, however.
Sue,
The only thing I’ve ever implied RE: the Ankeny v. Daniels case is that the Judges issued a non-binding opinion of their original order to dismiss.
Wait, no, I’m wrong. I’ve also implied quite explicitly that stating that one situation creates a natural born citizen doesn’t necessarily make that same situation eligible for the presidency. Again, the Judiciary cannot create law, because that’s an unconstitutional act, and individuals who promulgate the concept that somehow the Indiana Judiciary did create law apparently perpetuate the idea that the Judiciary could operate in an unconstitutional fashion.
And, of course, that doesn’t make sense, except to those who don’t understand the premise of the eligibility argument.
-Phil
SanDiegoSam says:
November 30, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I think you are being unfair to Leo. He cannot be held responsible for the swings in his bipolar disorder.
Sarah Palin is “a quitter.”
Leo Donofrio is simply ill.
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Sam, maybe you are right. Leo might be ill…And if that is the case and Leo is sick then you are right and he is not Sarah Palin and a quitter. But Sue is also right that he is aware of his disease but ignored it to take drugs that is not the smartest thing to do either.
Sharon 2,
“I have a family emergency and will not be back for awhile.”
I hope your family emergency was nothing serious and all is well.
San,
“He cannot be held responsible for the swings in his bipolar disorder.”
I disagree. Based upon what Donofrio has stated himself, he is well aware of his problem; therefore, it appears that he has not sought help for his bipolar disorder, if indeed, that is what he has. His admitted illegal drug use only compounds his problem.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bipolar-disorder/DS00356/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs
Black Lion:
I think you are being unfair to Leo. He cannot be held responsible for the swings in his bipolar disorder.
Sarah Palin is “a quitter.”
Leo Donofrio is simply ill.
Bob:
That can only be if he is in a depressive cycle. When he is in his manic phase, he is incapable of tiring.
Read his account. You will find it explains a lot.
sam, maybe Leo got sick and tired of reading your personal attacks.
Bob Strauss:
Wrong again, Bob. Leo was absolutely directly challenged on his blog, by me and several others. But like Apuzzo he never had the intellectual integrity to let such posts pass moderation.
Integrity? Did you not mean Insanity?
Leo Donofrio is not a patriot, or a traitor, or an Obot, or a Birther or anything else other than as the accidental result of his self documented mental illness. He recorded his own descent into indiscriminate drug use (he admits to, at least Pot, Psilocybin, Ecstasy and Acid), paranoia, delusion and bi-polarity in a long tome called “One Love Story” that can still be found on the Internet here:
http://odell.connect-2.co.uk/ols.html
Reading this first person account of pain and pathos in the course of cyclic madness reveals a lot about the classic Donofrio pattern. He swings wildly between periods of manic and passionate advocacy followed by deep depressions, withdrawals and feelings of self loathing and inadequacy. During the former he literally believes himself to be The Holy Spirit (he calls himself the “Paraclete”) sent by God to make straight the way of the Messiah. During the latter he actively considers suicide.
Do not fear. Leo will be back. He cannot help himself. He will eventually return in rare form with new and unusual legal interpretations that set his minions all atwitter.
But he will still be mentally ill.
MGB,
“Not the campaign. How about Podesta and any of his minions, or Soros and any of his? How about FactCheck?”
Nope, not one penny.
Cook v Good Appeal Dismissed for Lack of Prosecution.
“11/24/2009 Case Closed. Dismissed – No Prosecution No
11/24/2009 DIS-2CIV (Letter to district court enclosing dismissal order) issued. To:Gregory J. Leonard; c:Eric Fleisig-Greene; c:Mark B. Stern; c:Orly Taitz No
11/24/2009 Pursuant to the 11th Cir.R.42-2(c), this appeal is dismissed for want of prosecution because the appellant failed to file brief and record excerpts within the time fixed by the rules.”
Sue said, “Newsflash: I did not donate one cent to the Obama/Biden campaign and by the same token, I have not received one cent from the obama/Biden campaign.”
Not the campaign. How about Podesta and any of his minions, or Soros and any of his? How about FactCheck?
The house that Obama built is crumbling with no reprieve in sight …
Obama’s anti-American decision to bring the terros’ trial to NYC is like a cancer, adding to the erosion of the public’s confidence in his competence and intentions…
Gallup:
“Americans at Odds With Recent Terror Trial DecisionsMajorities would prefer trying 9/11 kingpin in a military court, away from New
By 59% to 36%, more Americans believe accused Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried in a military court, rather than in a civilian criminal court. Most Republicans and independents favor holding the trial in a military court, while the slight majority of Democrats disagree. [...]
For those who have been following this for a while, it has always been apparent that Leo knew that the ruling in Wong Kim Ark blew his theory out of the water.
That was why he went after Chester Arthur, because Arthur appointed the Justice (Justice Gray) who wrote the majority opinion in Ark. For a while he argued that Gray “was not legally appointed” since Arthur “wasn’t a legitimate” President.
Only later did he discover some creative editing in Wong Kim Ark that allowed him (and others) to claim that the decision there didn’t say what it plainly says as referred to by the Indiana Appeals Court.
That is why the current SCOTUS will not take any of the cases and it will not he heard.
- No one knows the true reason why SCOTUS rejects cases. Courts can take notice or even adopt what another court holds but not use as precedence.
The rest of your comment is the usual screed and insults.
I have a family emergency and will not be back for awhile.
Sharon 2 says:
November 30, 2009 at 10:20 am
No, actually I’m not. Leo called two citizen parent an exotic conceptual legal theory.
- No, you are wrong. He was referring to the other cases that could not get over the legal hurdles as exotic theories. He has even said that if one of the other cases were to win, it would be a detriment to our Constitution. You are simply wrong. Don’t you know enough about Leo to realize that even in quitting, he would never call his own theory anything but completely clear and convincing? You are taking that line out of context.
Sue,
An Indiana state court holding does not have to be followed by any other state. What the court said may end up being acknowledged as correct but it is not the law of the land. No other court across the country can use the case as precedence. The SCOTUS is the ultimate decider of what its prior decisions mean
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Sharon, you are missing the point. The ruling in the Indiana Appeals courts explained to you that the ultimate decision on citizenship and what a NBC is comes from the Supreme Court ruling in Wong Kim Ark. That is why the current SCOTUS will not take any of the cases and it will not he heard. In the mind the decision was already made regarding the definition of a NBC, and it is a person born in the US regardless of the citizenship status of the parents.
And other courts can take note of the decision in the Indiana case. Especially since the court in IN cited a SCOTUS case in its ruling.
Maybe Leo should come out and clarify what he meant. It sure seemed to most people he was including his own theory as exotic, because it was not based on any relevant case law. Even if what you say is correct Leo saw the writing on the wall. He recognized that there was no way any court was going to overturn the opinion in Wong. Anyone with a legal brain who read the Wong case knew that the same arugment that Leo came up with was not going to fly. So he did what he does best, which is withdraw so that he can technically say that he did not lose a case or that his theory was never disproved. But we all know better. He was just an attention seeker feeding off the adulation of the legal ignorance of the birther masses.
No, actually I’m not. Leo called two citizen parent an exotic conceptual legal theory.
- No, you are wrong. He was referring to the other cases that could not get over the legal hurdles as exotic theories. He has even said that if one of the other cases were to win, it would be a detriment to our Constitution. You are simply wrong. Don’t you know enough about Leo to realize that even in quitting, he would never call his own theory anything but completely clear and convincing? You are taking that line out of context.
Sue,
An Indiana state court holding does not have to be followed by any other state. What the court said may end up being acknowledged as correct but it is not the law of the land. No other court across the country can use the case as precedence. The SCOTUS is the ultimate decider of what its prior decisions mean.
While you all were sleeping…
Eppur si muove… in Kerchner vs. Obama & Congress… appeals briefs scheduled… (Jan 4th. 2010)…
puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/11/kerchner-v-obama-congress-3rd-circuit.html Obama eligibility challenge -
Sharon 2 says:
November 30, 2009 at 1:17 am
Frankly, when I see screeds from BL, I process them the same way as I do when I see Geir’s screeds. Agitprop. When I see Sue’s posts, for some reason “30 Helens agree” comes to mind. Sorry, I got carried away but the image is stuck…
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Wow Sharon, comparing rational lucid arguments that I make to the mindless rantings of Geir is quite an interesting comparison. However you are entitled to your opinion. However then you must think that what Sync1959, BobStrauss, and the others write must be all screeds. I guess you don’t like it when comments are sourced and laws are referenced. Which again is OK. I figure that you are unable to process Sue’s or my responses because they may be a bit beyond your reading comprehension level. I am sure Orly’s blog is more your speed then.
bob strauss says:
November 30, 2009 at 1:40 am
You obots make me sick rejoicing over Leo’s quitting his blog. Leo has more integrity in his actions than you people could ever hope to have.
Meanwhile your Kenyan born messiah has so far gotten away with usurping the Presidency, forging birth documents, forging Selective Service documents, and forging election documents. For Black Lion, Sue,sise,brygenon and all of you other obots, you can be proud that you have backed the biggest criminal since WW2. I’ll bet everyone of you can hardly wait to be invited to the White House so Obama can have you perform on him, while you give praise to the One.
You people make me sick. Are any of you patriotic Americans, do any of you care about this country and the rule of law? You people know damn well that you are misstating the truth about Obama’s citizenship and his eligibility, and your viscous attacks against patriots is indicative of the blind faith you put in Obama.
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If Leo had as much integrity as you state he wouldn’t have been afraid to defend his “exotic and conceptual” theory. You birthers made the mistake of believing in a guy that had no legal background or experience. He quit the fight. He may turn up again when he can piggyback on someone else’s work but it doesn’t surprise me that you would be supportive of a quitter.
Do you think that if you say usurper, forging documents, and the other crap enough that somehow it will come true? I’m sorry but this is not fantasyland. The only forged document came from the birthers who claimed to have found “Kenyan birth certificates.” You guys would want to believe in those forgeries so much that when they were exposed, you still would not admit that they were not real.
I could care less about being invited to the White House. Obama is the President. He has done some things that I disagree with but he was lawfully elected. The real patriots support the rule of law and the Constitution. It is the birthers that are advocating sedition and treason by calling for “removing the President” and making up indictments by fantasy grand juries.
The only people misstating the truth are you and the birther movement. You want to overturn the Constitution, SCOTUS rulings, and the facts so that you can get rid of a President that you hate. Fortunately for us we are a nation of laws and we follow them even when a small minority wants to ignore them to satisfy their own narrow minded beliefs. You can rant and rave all you want, the bottom line is that Obama is still and will remain the President of the United States. You will just have to deal with it.
bob strauss says:
November 30, 2009 at 1:47 am
I also noted that none of you obots had the courage to challenge Leo Donofrio directly on his blog. Instead you sniped at him from a distance knowing full well that you couldn’t defeat him in a serious argument on the merits one on one.
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Bob, you lie. As the others have informed you Leo never allowed any comments to be posted than did not agree with him or call him the best thing since sliced bread. Many tried to comment on is wacky and wrong theories and conclusions but he moderated his blog, just like Orly, Mario Apuzzo, and the other birther sites. They know that they cannot argue with real legal professionals that could point out where they were wrong so they pretend those comments don’t exist. Leo was a legend in is own mind.
Sharon 2 says:
November 30, 2009 at 1:17 am
*You are misreading this*
No, actually I’m not. Leo called two citizen parent an exotic conceptual legal theory.
*As much as you would like to believe that the Indiana appeals court makes the law of the land*
They didn’t “make” any law. They very clearly used the 14th amendment and Wong Kim Ark as the basis for their decision. The court spelled out in black and white what Wong Kim Ark means.
Sharon 2 wrote:
You still have the option to take the clues. Though they don’t get to set binding national precedent, they cited it.
Over a year after the election, we’ve seen enough to know that it’s not about state versus federal, orders versus opinions, nor liberal versus conservative. It’s about fantasy versus reality. Eligibility deniers win in their own heads, on most of their own blogs, and in their own paid advertisements. These were three real judges on a real court.
bob strauss says:
Bob Strauss tells not the truth. Even when he was active, Leo, not us obots, ran away from the fights. On his blog, he simply would not approve comments that exposed the folly of his legal sophistry.
Once Leo showed up here on Phil’s obot-tolerant blog, but soon put his tail between his legs and retreated back home.
Bob Strauss,
“You people make me sick. Are any of you patriotic Americans, do any of you care about this country and the rule of law? You people know damn well that you are misstating the truth about Obama’s citizenship and his eligibility, and your viscous attacks against patriots is indicative of the blind faith you put in Obama.”
Newsflash: I did not donate one cent to the Obama/Biden campaign and by the same token, I have not received one cent from the obama/Biden campaign.
“Birthers” have not provided one shred of credible evidence, admissible in a court of law, that President Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii and based upon the Constitution (Article II, Section I, Clause 4 and the 14th Amendment) and the SCOTUS decision of Wong Kim Ark (precedent) is a natural born citizen and is eligible to be POTUS.
It is “birthers/patriots” who are ignoring the rule of law and trying to re-write the Constitution to advance their own “political agenda” trying to disguise themselves as “patriots.” My opposition to you has nothing whatsoever to do with President Obama.
My priorities are this:
God first, family second and Country third.
“Vicious attacks?” Every single reporter, Congressman, elected and appointed official I have contacted regarding this issue have confirmed that the “vicious attacks” have been by the “birthers/patriots”; not those who oppose this nonsense. “Birthers/patriots” are the ones who have threatened violence, revolt and civil unrest.
“bob strauss says:
November 30, 2009 at 1:47 am
I also noted that none of you obots had the courage to challenge Leo Donofrio directly on his blog. Instead you sniped at him from a distance knowing full well that you couldn’t defeat him in a serious argument on the merits one on one.”
I believe your above comment is not factual. “Obots” (real lawyers) have tried to comment on Donofrio’s blog only to be moderated or banned. The same thing happens at AGJ, Orly Taiz, John Charlton and numerous other “birther blogs.” Anyone who disagrees with the “birther opinion” is moderated or banned. “Birthers” have requested that Phil do this also; numerous times.
Sharon 2,
“As much as you would like to believe that the Indiana appeals court makes the law of the land, it is not binding anywhere but in Indiana. It could be adopted elsewhere but it is not controlling law outside of Indiana. The US Supreme Court may someday even cite the case,… or not.”
I don’t believe an “obot” has stated here that “the Indiana appeals court makes the law of the land.” I believe it was Phil who implied this.
The 3-panel judge Indiana appeals court unanimous decision cited Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and SCOTUS Wong Kim Ark decision (precedent)in their decision and based their decision on “existing law.” I believe the Constitution and a SCOTUS precedent is binding? See excerpts of decision below:
“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
“The Plaintiffs do not mention the above United States Supreme Court authority in their complaint or brief; they primarily rely instead on an eighteenth century treatise and quotations of Members of Congress made during the nineteenth century. “To the extent that these authorities conflict with the United States Supreme Court‟s interpretation of what it means to be a natural born citizen,” we believe that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments fall under the category of “conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions” that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. Irish, 864 N.E.2d at 1120. Thus, we cannot say that the trial court erred when it dismissed the Plaintiffs‟ case.”
I also noted that none of you obots had the courage to challenge Leo Donofrio directly on his blog. Instead you sniped at him from a distance knowing full well that you couldn’t defeat him in a serious argument on the merits one on one.
You obots make me sick rejoicing over Leo’s quitting his blog. Leo has more integrity in his actions than you people could ever hope to have.
Meanwhile your Kenyan born messiah has so far gotten away with usurping the Presidency, forging birth documents, forging Selective Service documents, and forging election documents. For Black Lion, Sue,sise,brygenon and all of you other obots, you can be proud that you have backed the biggest criminal since WW2. I’ll bet everyone of you can hardly wait to be invited to the White House so Obama can have you perform on him, while you give praise to the One.
You people make me sick. Are any of you patriotic Americans, do any of you care about this country and the rule of law? You people know damn well that you are misstating the truth about Obama’s citizenship and his eligibility, and your viscous attacks against patriots is indicative of the blind faith you put in Obama.
Kids in the Hall reference to the 30 Helens
But I will savor this forever – he admits two citizen parents is an “exotic conceptual legal theory”. Got that birthers, Leo admits two citizen parent is an “exotic, conceptual legal THEORY”.
You are misreading this:
By now it should be clear that federal standing and political question doctrine issues will not yield to exotic conceptual legal theories. As predicted, the courts will not bend to anyone that precedent does not bestow judicial invitation upon. After the electoral college certified Obama, I predicted every eligibility law suit pending against him would fail on procedural grounds unless brought via the DC District Court under the the DC quo warranto statute.
- It is not his theory that he is calling “exotic conceptual.” Read the above again carefully. It was all theories except quo warranto that he said would fail and that would never be accepted by a court (they are the exotic legal theories). If you followed his blog, quo warranto is what he had been promoting. He would have never called his own theory anything but rational,not exotic). He seemed to be waiting for an interested party that never materialized. Donofrio never wanted the issue to focus on Hawaii. He was hoping to get the actual proof that others wanted (not you of course) to focus could be on the dual citizenship issue. Dual citizenship has always been his issue, even with the side tracking of the Hawaii open records law. You are savoring a moment that doesn’t exist.
Donofrio quitting is not big news. How many times does that make now?
As much as you would like to believe that the Indiana appeals court makes the law of the land, it is not binding anywhere but in Indiana. It could be adopted elsewhere but it is not controlling law outside of Indiana. The US Supreme Court may someday even cite the case,… or not.
Frankly, when I see screeds from BL, I process them the same way as I do when I see Geir’s screeds. Agitprop. When I see Sue’s posts, for some reason “30 Helens agree” comes to mind. Sorry, I got carried away but the image is stuck…
Regards,
(I like that ending of comments and am stealing the idea)
brygenon says:
November 29, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Black Lion says:
Leo gave up because he is a quitter.
But be fair: abandoning this nonsense is the best thing Leo’s done. We don’t want them acting like two-year-olds and throwing tantrums when they don’t get their way, so it don’t hardly seem right to call them “quitter” when they stop.
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Bry, I guess you’re right….Leo made a smart move by withdrawing from the birther movement…Maybe others will get the message and do the same thing…
Black Lion says:
But be fair: abandoning this nonsense is the best thing Leo’s done. We don’t want them acting like two-year-olds and throwing tantrums when they don’t get their way, so it don’t hardly seem right to call them “quitter” when they stop.
jvn says:
November 28, 2009 at 9:47 pm
My guess is that the ass kissing in he comments on the site (”Oh Leo, u r the smartest, most bestest legal scholar ever!!!”) got to be too much even for him. The guy clearly was in love with the adulation of the Leotards, but we will not likely hear from him again.
He was dead wrong on his claims. The final straw for Leo was the Indiana Appeals Court decision that smoked his interpretation of Wong Kim Ark and accurately labeled De Vattel as “obscure” and of no legal value to this question.
That plus his total defeat in Hawaii told Leo it was finally time to “fold ‘em.”
I hope for his sake he’s a better poker player than he is a lawyer…
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I wonder how long it is going to take until the “Leo-tards” try and sping this into some sort of a positive think for the movement. Only in the world of the birthers can you be a quitter and still be a hero. All Leo did was perform a sort of verbal felattio on his readers, exciting them and making them think that somehow he had a plan or a unique legal theory that somehow was going to overturn 100 years of establish legal precedent. He pulls this crap ever couple of months, but it semms like you said that the ruling by the Indiana Appeals court was going to be difficult for him to overcome. Especially when the specifically eviserated his so called NBC means that parents must both be citizens theory. The bottom line is the movement is filled with convicted felons and quitters with no sort of real legal experience. With that sort of track record the movement was doomed to fail. Which is not a surprise because it is based on a faulty premise, which was that the President was born somewhere other than HI. We all know that this does not end the birthers because there is too much money involved in hating and being against the President. So for the next 3 years we will continue to hear the same crap and the same threats that somehow soon the “usurper” will be removed. It is kind of funny and pathetic at the same time.
jvn says:
November 28, 2009 at 9:47 pm
*I hope for his sake he’s a better poker player than he is a lawyer*
I think he is surrendering to the siren song of playing the head-banging music as Jett Schizo! He said he’s got work to do! HA! These birther leaders are like Jason in Friday the 13th – you think they’re gone and next thing you know they pop up, refreshed. I agree, the index data from Hawaii and the Indiana Court of Appeals decision blew him out of the water. But I will savor this forever – he admits two citizen parents is an “exotic conceptual legal theory”. Got that birthers, Leo admits two citizen parent is an “exotic, conceptual legal THEORY”.
My guess is that the ass kissing in he comments on the site (“Oh Leo, u r the smartest, most bestest legal scholar ever!!!”) got to be too much even for him. The guy clearly was in love with the adulation of the Leotards, but we will not likely hear from him again.
He was dead wrong on his claims. The final straw for Leo was the Indiana Appeals Court decision that smoked his interpretation of Wong Kim Ark and accurately labeled De Vattel as “obscure” and of no legal value to this question.
That plus his total defeat in Hawaii told Leo it was finally time to “fold ‘em.”
I hope for his sake he’s a better poker player than he is a lawyer…
Yes, does this mean that Donofrio is done, or that he is just not blogging anymore? Didn’t he say that the UIPA was a virtual lock to come out fruitful?
The whole tone and abrupt ending (too much time? you haven’t blogged consistently in 2-3 weeks) was just odd, I admit.
And I’m sorry, but putting up an entry once a week in order to further attention/publicity/public demand is NOT exactly eating up your time.
I’m confused about the whole thing. Maybe he’s knocking on the door? Maybe he’s finally thrown in the towel. Who knows.
Donofrio’s “investigation” provided Hawaii DOH index files that shows a birth record on file for President Obama and marriage records for his parents. Too funny.
New videos of Marks of the Beast of Obama ready tomorrow I hope, so we can get the religious people to ensure he doesn’t skip jail on bail.
He must be secured in custody.
We must get secure religious people in control who know he’s the Antichrist.
He must not be let out of jail by chums.
Leo gave up because he is a quitter. Once he received the so called vital statistic data from the state of HI that proved that President Obama was born in HI, he knew his case was doomed. Leo was always a better poker player than lawyer. And to use a poker term he was always bluffing regarding his legal theories and claiming that he would find the case that would finally get heard. Anyone with any legal knowledge knew that Leo was wrong, but the birthers choose to bury their heads in the sand and hoped that Leo’s theory would somehow be the one.
Look at what Leo wrote on his blog…
“By now it should be clear that federal standing and political question doctrine issues will not yield to exotic conceptual legal theories. As predicted, the courts will not bend to anyone that precedent does not bestow judicial invitation upon. After the electoral college certified Obama, I predicted every eligibility law suit pending against him would fail on procedural grounds unless brought via the DC District Court under the the DC quo warranto statute.”
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
He admits that his so called legal theory was “exotic and conceptual.” Which mean there was no real case law or legal precedent to support his theory. So all of you birthers that felt that Leo was on to something need to understand that even Leo knew that his so called natural born citizen means both parents need to have been US citizens was crap, or “exotic and conceptual.” When real legal experts told you that Leo was full of it and the SCOTUS in Wong Kim has already decided the issue you kept bringing up Leo and his beliefs. Let us hope that you can finally move on. You have a better chance pushing your fake Kenyan Birth Certificates than a theory that even Leo is no longer pushing.
do something else sue, it’s boring to look at ur dismal blurbs
just get lost jump in a lake
of fire and brimstone
Mr. Smith,
“Can you come and post to that when he’s finished the first one ? It should be for tomorrow I hope. I’ll hurry him. I want to get it out and running fast. I want to nail Obama not just for the birth certificate but make sure he doesn’t skip jail on bail, because the religious people will make sure the Antichrist doesn’t get away scot free with a good lawyer like OJ Simpson did first off. I want to spread to the whole world that he’s the Antichrist so no one ignores that fact.
I want them to hold him until the end of his sentence’s logical penalty.”
Oh wow, you are out there big time. Totally incoherent BS.
Donofrio, on the other hand, runs away yet again. I really was so looking forward to seeing Donofrio’s little lawsuit. What did Apuzzo say to upset Donofrio?
Birthers don’t seem to get along with each other too well, do they.
Taitz against Berg/Kreep
Donofrio/Apuzzo
Tea Party lawsuits and discord
Never a dull moment for sure.
MGB, Sue’s part of Obama’s dark web, tangled around the world to hold all these people under it’s nefarious lethal spell.
It’s like a narcotic dream, these people think they are god.
They’re not, Obama is a mobster, with his past hidden. We’re going to discover it and the end has started. It’s falling down around us. It’s now.
MGB, I’ve got someone making videos and blogs about the Marks of the Beast 666 drawn on election day in Illinois’ Lottery.
Can you come and post to that when he’s finished the first one ? It should be for tomorrow I hope. I’ll hurry him. I want to get it out and running fast. I want to nail Obama not just for the birth certificate but make sure he doesn’t skip jail on bail, because the religious people will make sure the Antichrist doesn’t get away scot free with a good lawyer like OJ Simpson did first off. I want to spread to the whole world that he’s the Antichrist so no one ignores that fact.
I want them to hold him until the end of his sentence’s logical penalty.
brygenon says:
November 28, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“Just in case, I checked the Constitution, and there’s no actual rule against the President being the antichirst.”
ROTFL
If Donofrio claimed he predicted the failure of all the birther lawsuits, why on earth would he file another birther lawsuit as some here have claimed?
Donofrio pulled a “Hank Snow.”
The stink about OBAMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJPeJdI7GcU
Geir said, “Sue, I don’t know you, you just write here and I just noticed your name about 36 hours ago. Sorry, but you’re just a blip on my screen.”
Sue comes out, not when the Moon is full, but whenever anybody mentions . . .
Dare I say it? FactCheck.
Barack Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces in Missouri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB0O2KVSJrI
BLAM ! number 2 massive U Tube-hit on billboards
And BLAM ! a nifty one in Iowa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqw4l1hDb3c
It’s all over now WAKE UP !
It’s all over. It’s sweeping the country, and the world FAST.
It’s everywhere. Too fast to even see it go.
It seems that the billboards are becoming instruments of expressing mass-discontent. They’re not seeming to be anywhere near being taken down by any measure because they’re protected by some Amendement to the Constitution: Free Speech.
And in areas they’re at, they enjoy ten-to-one approval. That’s tough for Obama because through U Tube they’re seen by millions and even throughout the world. And it’s comin’ in every day now. By the bucket-loads.
I understand why the Obots are getting testy. They owned the world – like – yesterday: and today they’re getting sweaty and queasy already.
That was fast eh ! To fall from the Garden of Eden !
Those billboards are an eyesore ! Billboards are hell ! Damn billboards ! hehehe !
but i like billboards a lot ! Obots ! damn YOU
Owner of ‘President Or Jihad?’ Billboard: Obama is An ‘Anti-Christian’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXEUWVoRpwM
MGB,
“But Bauer didn’t assert that the online COLB demonstrates anything.”
“Yes, he did.
”
“Wrong. Have you ever called a hospital and asked to be connected to a patient’s room? Or asked what room a patient is in, so you can visit? That’s why they have an “information desk”, because they give out information.”
The above is not medical information.
I’ve already stated several times that a hospital gave me pathology reports for a deceased relative, when HIPAA laws were in effect. So they will give out even detailed medical information, under the correct circumstances. (Unless they’re trying to cover for someone for political reasons, that is.)
You can call me whatever you like. However, if you say I’m a liar about this issue, then you’re the liar because it is TRUE that I got these medical reports and I did not have to provide anything”
Bullpoop. No, they will not. I contacted my local hospital to specifically ask this question. If the person at the hospital you claim did this; they broke the law.