1 If behind the mask of SanDiegoSam (whose resume is peculiarly suggestive of the TRSoL evictee HistorianDude) does indeed lie an unrepentant HistorianDude still obviously alienated from his conscience, how does SanDiegoSam expect anyone to trust anything he writes?

2 The exact logic which eludes SanDiegoSam demonstrates that without official DoH UIPA dis-confirmations that Obama’s vital records involve a delayed filing and an amended birthdate, SanDiegoSam cannot possibly know that Hawaii DoH’s official confirmations are a “lie“; SanDiegoSam does not have (= does not claim to have) any such dis-confirmations; therefore SanDiegoSam’s accusation that I have “lied” is no based on fact.

Statements with no basis in fact masquerading as fact are inventions, concoctions, fabrications, pretenses, and deceptions: clearly, we see a pattern. Furthermore, there is no evidence that SanDiegoSam has any interest in testing his statements against the facts as supplied by Hawaii DoH and has not encouraged anyone to do so: this also conforms to a pattern.

Given SanDiegoSam doesn’t have the interior resources to know, let alone care, what those patterns might be, SanDiegoSam should not expect anyone to trust anything he writes (as in a blind man attempting to be a landscape painter).

My knowledge” that Obama’s vital records involve a delayed filing and an amended birthdate comes to me independently of Donofrio or TerriK.

And that makes it less a lie… how exactly?

I say “to my knowledge” and SanDiegoSam can’t resist telling me what constitutes “my knowledge”. How about that? Let me try to adjust SanDiegoSam’s delusion that he knows better than me what it is I know. “My knowledge” that Obama’s vital records involve a delayed filing and an amended birthdate comes to me independently of Donofrio or TerriK.

“neither [Donofrio or TerriK] bothered to present any communication from the Hawaii DoH that actually justified the claim, [but] Donofrio and Terri together were able to at least prove” SanDiegoSam

Contrary to SanDiegoSam’s “factually inexact” claim, the blogs of Donofrio or TerriK were overladen with communications from the Hawaii DoH, and DoH did indeed confirm to TerriK that Obama’s vital records involved an amended birthdate. The illogicallity within SanDiegoSam’s “factually inexact” claim is that Donofrio and TerriK were able to prove something SanDiegoSam agrees with, but then failed to prove something else SanDiegoSam doesn’t agree with, although in both instances they were using the same communications. In other words, SanDiegoSam knows better than Donofrio and TerriK what their communications with Hawaii DoH were and what information they were given. That old familiar SanDiegoSam delusion.

Readers don’t have to trust in SanDiegoSam’s distorted thinking: unlike SanDiegoSam, I am here to encourage them to pursue their own inquiries and requests with Hawaii DoH and the facts of Obama’s vital records involving a delayed filing and an amended birthdate will speak for themselves.

“this one is funny.” SanDiegoSam

This one is even funnier:

There once was a fanatical Obama loyalist HistorianDude drummed out of TRSoL for sadistic aggression and narcissistic contempt (not least against Phil). This suitable case for treatment, HistorianDude, couldn’t stop himself from fantasizing that readers might be impressed with a resume (e.g. “Nuclear Warhead Maintenance & Assembly Officer in a NATO unit in the Republic of Turkey“) curiously similar to the resume SanDiegoSam has boasted about elsewhere at TRSoL.

For his own sake I hope we really are dealing with SanDiegoSam, because HistorianDude pretending to be SanDiegoSam would have made himself into someone who is never on any account to be trusted twice-over, and shown himself to be a man with a dangerous sense of the humorous and bizarre.

To my knowledge Donofrio has nothing to do with the confirmation from Hawaii DoH that document(s) were supplied to change Obama’s date of birth or that Obama’s vital records involve a delayed filing.

You are unfortunately in error.

Donofrio and TerriK/MissTickly together were trying to exploit the recently discovered UIPA angle when they originated the false claim that Hawaii had verified that Obama’s birth records were amended and both published the false claim to their respective blogs. Of course, neither bothered to present any communication from the Hawaii DoH that actually justified the claim, so it remains to this point a baseless accusation with no evidence.

So yes, Black Lion is absolutely correct. “Leo made that up.”

Alas, not all the effort was in vain. Donofrio and Terri together were able to at least prove that 1) Obama’s parents actually were married, and 2) Maya Soetoro-Ng does not have a Hawaiian Birth Certificate. So the effort did bear some fruit as these two of the most long lived Birther rumors were effectively proven false.

Now, once again we are struck by the humorously consistent Birther ploy of trying to inappropriately shift the burden of proof. The motivation is well understood, after all Birthers have no actual evidence for any of their beliefs regarding Obama’s eligibility. But this one is funny.

DoH will never dis-confirm anything it has already confirmed

First… they would have had to confirm something, right? I mean… how can you “dis-confirm” something that was never confirmed int he first place?

And the Hawaii DoH has certainly never “confirmed” that there is anything about Obama’s birth records that have been amended.

Readers may discover for themselves elsewhere at this blog that Black Lion shamelessly repeats claims that have earlier been proven false. For example, the deceiving claim that (quote) “the Full Faith of State records clause of the Constitution supports the COLB because it is certified and signed by a state official”. Even after having been shown very politely that 1) Article IV does not apply to administrative records and 2) Obama’s alleged COLB has not been certified in accordance with Article IV’s enabling statute, Black Lion continued to maintain a claim which became a lie. That Black Lion would have the temerity to effectively call me a liar is conscienceless hypocrisy.

To my knowledge Donofrio has nothing to do with the confirmation from Hawaii DoH that document(s) were supplied to change Obama’s date of birth or that Obama’s vital records involve a delayed filing: I have been made aware of these facts from other sources. Anyone in doubt concerning the truth of this matter is advised to prove the facts for themselves with Hawaii DoH through UIPA. It’s very obvious that Black Lion’s accusation that I have lied is not based on facts supplied by Hawaii DoH, but is merely something he has invented. Black Lion himself will never seek clarification from Hawaii DoH and go on the record with its response because he knows that DoH will never dis-confirm anything it has already confirmed, therefore any comment Black Lion makes from ignorance on the matter is maliciously designed to spread further ignorance and deceive.

“…limerick regarding the wild unfounded claims of “Who are you kidding”…” Black Lion

Black Lion accusing me of being a liar feels very insulting, but hurling a badly written limerick at me is positively abusive. On the understanding that a “bot” is a parasite that burrows into living tissue or a programmed entity that fakes human intelligence, then

An infesting Obot dubbed Black Lion,
‘bout as good for your brain as a prion,
Will soil any fact
From his urinary tract
If his handlers pledge “that way to Zion”.

“Qwertyman is asking you for a link … I just wanted to see what these nutcases would come up with next.” Sue

Having earlier asked Sue the questions Where is the raised seal in Factcheck’s image of Obama’s alleged COLB and how does one find it? she blithely ignores those uncomfortable questions and shamelessly asks for links (which cannot by definition exist), followed by the sneering confession that she believes she is dealing with a nutcase. Ignoring the insult:

First, Sue must answer my prior questions Where is the raised seal in Factcheck’s image of Obama’s alleged COLB and how does one find it? otherwise it will be assumed she cannot bring herself to give a truthful answer and her credibility as a discussant is lost. Her choice.

Second, Hawaii DoH does not post its responses to UIPA inquiries but send them to indivduals: Sue can be one of those individuals, if she is confident that Hawaii DoH will dis-confirm Obama’s the delayed and amended filings within his vital records and she can thereby prove me wrong. Until then, Hawaii DoH’s recent official confirmations that Obama’s vital records do involve a delayed filing and amended birthdate, meaning Obama’s alleged COLB can never be prima facie evidence and has been faked, stand as fact. Again, her choice.

Still being proof read maybe?

Phil:

From the post and email:

“Rather, in an email to the publisher of The Right Side of Life website, Okubo admitted that the Hawaii Department of Health had no documents on file to establish that any such COLB was issued by them in 2007, even though the online COLB bears a 2007 seal.”

Is this true? Have you heard back from the DOH in Hawaii? Is there a post containing this email?

KJ

Unfortunately, Mr. Charlton did not provide any links back to my site, so I really don’t know to what he is specifically referring.

I had previously sent an email to the Vital Records department in HI essentially asking if a receipt for the alleged COLB purportedly on file with the FactCheck.org blog could be provided, and they simply responded that such information is not public record.

-Phil

From the post and email:

“Rather, in an email to the publisher of The Right Side of Life website, Okubo admitted that the Hawaii Department of Health had no documents on file to establish that any such COLB was issued by them in 2007, even though the online COLB bears a 2007 seal.”

Is this true? Have you heard back from the DOH in Hawaii? Is there a post containing this email?

KJ

“Sue, there is no link. That was something that Leo made up to explain away the fact that the vital records state that there is a birth record for a Barack Obama II. He screwed himself so he needed a way to get out of it. No one will find any proof of any sort of amended certifcate because it doesn’t exist…”

I just wanted to see what these nutcases would come up with next. It will be interesting to see what they come up with when Donofrio doesn’t “file his lawsuit” and all the “other lawyers” don’t file lawsuits either. ROTFL.

Thanks to Expelliarmus over at Obamaconspiracies for the following limerick regarding the wild unfounded claims of “Who are you kidding”…

The birthers simply don’t have a clue,
about requirements the law says is due,
they don’t understand
that in every court in the land
you must prove up your case when you sue.

The source has already been given: Hawaii DoH. You may confirm it yourself through UIPA. If we don’t hear your result, it’s safe for readers to assume that DoH did not retract the information.”

Qwertyman is asking you for a link to the information where you claim “Hawaii DoH have officially confirmed that Obama’s birth is a delayed filing.”
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Sue, there is no link. That was something that Leo made up to explain away the fact that the vital records state that there is a birth record for a Barack Obama II. He screwed himself so he needed a way to get out of it. No one will find any proof of any sort of amended certifcate because it doesn’t exist…

Actually, it will be surprising if they do.

The source has already been given: Hawaii DoH. You may confirm it yourself through UIPA. If we don’t hear your result, it’s safe for readers to assume that DoH did not retract the information.”

Qwertyman is asking you for a link to the information where you claim “Hawaii DoH have officially confirmed that Obama’s birth is a delayed filing.”