Uh-O-bama: VA, NJ Go GOP; TX Dems Switching; What It All Means

by Phil on 11/4/2009

9:40 pm (11/4) update:

Before getting to the overall wrap-up of last night’s election results, LibertarianRepublican provides an update as to what’s going on down in the great State of Texas (what with the local officials switching from (D) to (R)):

Austin – The Republican Party of Texas is pleased to welcome several Democratic officeholders who switched parties today and became Republicans. Today in Hardin County, seven Democrats announced that they are switching parties to become Republicans. The new Republicans include Sheriff Ed Cain, County Judge Billy Caraway and Precinct 4 Commissioner Bobby Franklin. And at noon Tuesday in Palo Pinto County, Precinct 5 Justice of the Peace Bobby Hart switched his party affiliation and became a Republican. Three other Palo Pinto County Democratic officeholders indicated a strong interest in switching parties. The Republican Party of Texas has been working to build Republican strength at the local level, by working with county parties, recruiting candidates for the GOP primary and by recruiting conservative Democrats to switch parties.

“The wave of Republican strength continues to build,” said Republican Party of Texas Chairman Cathie Adams. “Americans are simply fed up with the Washington Democrats’ failing leftwing policies and government power grabs. The elections in Virginia and New Jersey Tuesday prove that Republicans are gaining momentum as the voters tell Democrats ‘Enough is enough!.’ We welcome these newly minted Republicans and anyone else who will stand with us for more freedom, lower taxes and smaller government.”

What is for sure about last night’s election? The love affair, as it were, over Mr. Obama is most definitely over.

As RedState posts:

In every state in which Barack Obama campaigned for a candidate, the candidate lost. Too bad he did not make it up to NY-23.

More importantly, according to political expert Larry Sabato, there have only been two occasions when Virginia and New Jersey so thoroughly flipped to the opposite party: in 1993, before the GOP take over of Congress in 1994, and in 2005, before the Democrats took back Congress in 2006.

This signals the potential for great Republican gains in the House and Senate next year.

We also know, based on how Doug Hoffman is trending, that the GOP Establishment, if it continues to turn its back on the conservative base, will keep losing. Had the NRCC not so throughly botched NY-23, we would not be in this particular situation tonight.

More on the GOP “establishment” in a moment. In the meantime, HotAir.com quoted from an excellent New York Post piece as a part of their wrap-up:

The Obama invincibility that was so much in evidence then seems to have lost its power. People can argue the reasons why these elections, all in places Obama carried handily, were so close. But if he were the political marvel he was thought to be, these races wouldn’t have been contests, but walkovers. So one consequence of this Election Day is the end of his special political magic.

That’s no surprise — as that magic was a largely substanceless froth whipped up by campaign consultants and compliant big-media cheerleaders.

The truth is, Obama wasn’t ready to be president when he ran in 2008. When he started, he probably thought he had no real chance — he himself admitted upon entering the Senate that he wasn’t qualified to be president — and that his first run would simply be a PR effort that would lift him to the top ranks of Senate Democrats. …

But he was right the first time about not being ready for the Oval Office. As president, he seems confused and a bit distant on the issues, leaving the details to congressional Democrats and an ever-growing number of “czars” while he golfs and launches attacks at Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

With the economy tanking (unemployment is much worse after Obama’s deficit-swelling stimulus than Obama’s advisers predicted it would be with no stimulus at all), with the promised post-partisanship dissolving into witch-hunts against hostile media and the promised post-racial America devolving into the awkwardly staged “beer summit,” with the “necessary war” in Afghanistan the subject of endless dithering and the promised “smart diplomacy” materializing as a series of awkward missteps by Hillary Clinton, the froth has become a lot less frothy.

The entire article is well worth the read.

Bottom line: As both RedState and AmericanPower opine: “All Politics Is Local!” And, guess what? Apparently, at least the National Republican Senatorial Committee is listening:

Well, the one Republican in Washington, D.C. today who seems to have had a realistic assessment of what took place yesterday is John Cornyn, the Chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

He made sure to tell a reporter that the NRSC will not spend any money in Florida for Crist or against Rubio.

So, how does this affect healthcare? Consider the following two links:

9:25 am (11/4) update:

Two out of three is by no means bad at all (NY23 went Dem; ATL mayoral race headed to runoff), and who would have thought that NJ Gov would be GOP this morning?

Jeff Schreiber presents an excellent run-down of the races here, along with this interesting bit RE: NY-23:

If there is any race which can be spun in any direction, it is this one. A seat traditionally in the hands of a moderate Republican is vacated when the president appoints that Republican to a bigger position on Capitol Hill. A Democrat runs, joined by a liberal Republican who ran unopposed through the primary process. Later in the game, an out-of-district conservative candidate joins the fray. Hilarity ensues, and within hours of the election, the liberal Republican drops out, endorses the liberal Democrat, and establishment Republicans finally put half-hearted support behind the conservative.

You couldn’t make this stuff up, folks. And what resulted was a uniquely spinnable race, regardless of result.

As it turns out, the conservative third-party candidate lost to the Democrat. Inevitably, the media will spin this as a life lesson for the GOP, a referendum on whether conservatives and the tea party movement will be able to elect someone, a sign that the tea partiers and conservatives on the right are pushing independents away from the GOP. Clearly, as we’ve seen in both the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial races, this is not so.

What has happened, my friends, is that we have been given a lesson about the viability of a third-party candidate. Sure, Doug Hoffman doesn’t live in the district. Sure, he wasn’t a seasoned, experienced candidate. But if Dede Scozzafava had been opposed by a conservative in a primary, she would likely not have been on the ballot to begin with yesterday, and a conservative Republican would likely have prevailed, especially considering that adding Scozzafava’s votes to Hoffman’s would have been enough to vanquish Owens, the Democrat.

Short-term effect: Folks like the Blue Dog Dems are going to hold firm on their stances RE: healthcare.

Long-term effect: Since Mr. Obama spent so much time criss-crossing VA and, especially, NJ for the incumbent Democrats, one cannot remove the President from any calculations as to how things will go in 2010. As ABCNews reports, it could be disaster for anyone with a “D” after their name, especially if everyone keeps voting their pocketbooks.

10:15pm et update:

The AP is now calling New Jersey for GOP Christie.

Wow.

10:00pm et update:

According to the latest New Jersey numbers, GOP challenger to the NJ Governor’s seat Chris Christie is currently ahead by 50-44% (with 64% precincts reporting) against incumbent Democrat Jon Corzine.

And the NY-23 race with Conservative Party Doug Hoffman versus Democrat Bill Owens is absolutely too close to call…

8:15pm et update:

Two big things to report RE: tonight’s races at this point — and that the aviary we call Twitter is a-tweetin’ ’bout: HotAir.com and RedState.com are reporting (with various references) and 73Wire that Republican Bob McDonnell has absolutely shellacked the Democrat Criegh Deeds in the great State of Virginia.

What’s even more interesting is that (per NotLarrySabato) the VA House of Delegates appears to be or is in the process of being turned into a near-Republican sweep.

And, what’s more, something that’s been somewhat under the radar… Eric Dondero at LibertarianRepublican is reporting this evening that “as many as 50 to 70 elected officials on the county level throughout Texas” could be switching Republican:

What we do know is that the Party Switchers appear to be within 4 Counties: Palo Pinto, McColloch, Hardin, and another yet to be named. Hardin has 8 Party Switchers. A Judge has already switched in Palo Pinto. By the end of the week said Preston, as many as 10 County elected officials are expected to be listed as new Republicans.

Commented Preston on the main reason for the Switching: Today’s election results with Republicans on the verge of a blow-out and the fact that “Obama’s name is becomming poison here in Texas.” …

The RPT has just released preliminary information on a press release at RPT.org

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5:00pm et update:

This evening, The Right Side of Life will be aggregating citizen reports concerning tonight’s returns. In many respects, there will be a lot riding on the outcome to these races.

In the following list I have put together a good listing of reasonable sources that I’ll be using to track these races:

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This evening will mark the first major slate of elections since Mr. Obama ascended to the presidency in what will culminate the first batch of battles between underdogs and the establishment. These include races in New Jersey, Virginia, New York and the city of Atlanta.

The Wall Street Journal posted a good summary of tomorrow’s contests:

Each of Tuesday’s three high-profile races has unique factors that could confound efforts to discern national trends. In New Jersey, independent Chris Daggett is attracting significant support — which could tip the outcome toward incumbent Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine in his close race with Republican challenger Chris Christie.

In Virginia’s gubernatorial race, Republican Bob McDonnell has led by double digits for weeks and is likely to end a recent Democratic surge in a longtime Republican state. Democrat R. Creigh Deeds has been weighed down as much by his troubles addressing questions about state tax and transportation policy as by his ties to Mr. Obama’s policies.

In New York, Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman has surged into the lead in the 23rd Congressional District, according to two polls, following the abrupt withdrawal Saturday of Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava. A Siena Research Institute Poll showed Mr. Hoffman, who was embraced by the Republican Party following Ms. Scozzafava’s withdrawal, leading 41% to 36%. A survey by Public Policy Polling showed a bigger lead, 54% to 38%.

How did these races start to turn against either the incumbents or the establishment picks, be they Democrat or Republican? Rush Limbaugh took part in an interview last Sunday on Fox News Sunday, and Neil Cavuto covered how the tea partiers took on the 23rd CD race in New York (h/t AmericanPower):

RedState posted the following video from Congressman Mike Pence, Indiana Republican and chairman of the House GOP Study Committee, entitled, “Let Your Voice Be Heard:”

The AmericanDaughter blog posts an excellent opinion piece on what the Doug Hoffman NY-23 race is all about (though I’ll disagree that a third party should be the ultimate result of this libertarian-conservative uprising).

Eric Dondero at the LibertarianRepublican posts that Obama would own a New Jersey loss, what with the President’s criss-crossing the State in support of Gov. Jon Corzine:

From Public Policy Polling (PPP):

Chris Christie leads Jon Corzine 47-41 in PPP’s final poll of the New Jersey Governor’s race, with Chris Daggett at 11%.

Corzine had pulled to within a point of Christie on our poll three weeks ago after trailing by as many as 14 points over the summer, but his momentum has stalled since then and Christie’s built his lead back up to 4 points last week and now 6.

Christie’s advantage is due largely to his support from independents and because he has Republicans more unified around him than the Democrats are around Corzine.

Note – PPP is regarded as a Left-leaning Pro-Democrat polling firm. Also note, a 6 point lead is outside of the margin of Democrat voter fraud, particularly important for any New Jersey race.

Virginia’s loss for the ‘D’s will be largely ignored and explained away tomorrow night. A New Jersey loss, will send shockwaves through the entire political community throughout the Nation, and will be an outstanding portend for Republicans 2010.

LR also goes on to point out that should independent Mary Norwood win the City of Atlanta mayoral race with 50% + 1 of the vote, she’d be the first “Republican” mayor, ever:

The city of Atlanta has never had a Republican Mayor. That could change on Tuesday with the election of Mary Norwood. She is currently leading two other candidates in the polls, and the very latest poll numbers suggest she’s expanding that lead. Norwood is at 45%, and her nearest rival at 25%.

Norwood, a “fiscally conservative white City Councilwoman” as described by the local government-run NPR, is challenging two Democrat opponents; Sen. Kasim Reed and Atlanta City Council President Lisa Borders. The State Democrat Party is worried that they’re splitting the vote. They’ve opened up the attacks on her for her Republican ties, and background, even claiming she’s a “Reaganite.”

She’s run two main commercials here in Georgia pretty hard, and she doesn’t make it overtly obvious to which party she belongs. Here’s one of her ads:

Shifting gears to healthcare, LogisticsMonster posts on how Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) is putting out a call for tea partiers to show up in DC on November 5. The following video was her interview with Sean Hannity concerning healthcare legislation:

Speaking of it being unconstitutional, a posting at HotAir shows a video of CNSNews.com’s interview with Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) talks about this very concept:

And Jeff Schreiber over at AmericasRight has a couple of great posts regarding healthcare — one regarding the overall numbers per the bill, the other discussing the bureaucratic nightmare its passage would dictate.

Regardless of the spin in the media, tomorrow’s races are important in helping to gauge where the nation could be going in preparation for 2010; after all, we’re officially less than a year from the results of the 2010 election.

-Phil

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There are 103 comments in this article:

  1. 11/3/2009tminu says:

    The Dem’s voter base was so energized during the 2008 elections that over 2 million dead New Jerseyites did the zombie walk to vote Barack!
    ACORN offed over 10 Million (R) votes in ’08. Just think in 2012 Barack could pull a Karzai/Zelaya—disappear the opposition and just install himself. It’s the least we can do for the 10-year-old-in-chief, give him his dictatorship!

  2. 11/3/2009Aristotle the Hun says:

    OBAMA: More evidence for election fraud charges

    3 Million Registered Voters Are Dead, 12 Million More Ineligible
    And 98% of them voted for Obama.

    Regardless of how lively an election season might be, a new study shows that more 3.3 million voters on current registration rolls across the country are dead. Another 12.9 million remain on voter registration lists in an area where they no longer live. The analysis was conducted by the Aristotle International Inc., a technology company specializing in political campaigns, developing software and databases for politicians. In total that means about 8.9 percent of all registered voters fall under the category of “deadwood” voters on the rolls, the term for voters who should no longer be eligible to vote in a precinct. The data is here . . .

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56423

  3. 11/3/2009jvn says:

    And the discussion moves from the so called “eligibility question” to politics.

    Now, who predicted THAT?

  4. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Interesting….First of all the following quote from the article above….”Eric Dondero at the LibertarianRepublican posts that Obama would own a New Jersey loss, what with the President’s criss-crossing the State in support of Gov. Jon Corzine”….I guess the writer forgot that NJ typically goes from D to R quite regularly….From Kean and Whitman who were Republicans to Florio and McGreevy who were Democrats. So to indicate that President Obama would “own the loss” is a silly statement by the GOP to tie some races to the President and his policies. The infamous NY-23 is a district that has never elected a Democrat to the House. In NY it is located in one of the least populated parts of the state. Again to indicate that this race would be some sort of bellweather on the Obama policies is ridiculous.

    And just to see what other polls are saying about the races from pollster.com….

    http://www.pollster.com/

    “NJ-Gov: Pollsters–”Your guess is as good as ours”
    At the end of the final day of Campaign 2009, the New Jersey Governor’s race had six new polls released. In keeping with the spirit of the race over the last month, they split evenly: three for Christie and three for Corzine.”

    PPP (10/31-11/1): Christie +6 (47-41)
    SurveyUSA (10/30-11/1): Christie +3 (45-42)
    Quinnipiac (10/27-11/1): Christie +2 (42-40)
    Monmouth (10/31-11/1): Corzine +2 (43-41)
    Fairleigh Dickinson (10/22-11/1): Corzine +2 (43-41)
    Democracy Corps (10/29-11/1): Corzine +5 (41-36)

    So it seems like the race in NJ is too close to call….I live in NJ and I can tell you that no one likes either candidate, myself included….However the sentiment is that Corzine is the devil you know as opposed to Christie being the devil people are not sure about….This race will be close…

  5. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Another interesting tidbit from the article above regarding the interesting Michelle Bachmann…

    “Shifting gears to healthcare, LogisticsMonster posts on how Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) is putting out a call for tea partiers to show up in DC on November 5…”

    Of course Bachmann doesn’t tell the viewers who is sponsoring the so called November 5 rally….Well it is being sponsered by the corporate front group Americans for Prosperity.

    http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/05/koch-estate-tax/

    From the article….

    “Activists learned that they were on the cusp of saving the long-planned, one-year elimination of the estate tax. If Democrats fail to pass a bill extending the estate tax in 2010, one of the key Republican victories of George W. Bush’s presidency would be realized. And the more the Tea Party movement could slow down the works in Congress, the better the chance of Democrats forgoing that bill. “If we run out the clock,” said Phil Kerpen, AFP’s policy director, “the estate tax is gone in 2010, and it would be tricky for Democrats to try and bring it back.”

    So is this about the little guy being overtaxed or wealthy individuals and corporations looking out for themselves.

  6. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Aristotle the Hun says:
    November 3, 2009 at 1:25 am
    “OBAMA: More evidence for election fraud charges
    cnsnews.com*

    Aww comeon Sam, the story you link to doesn’t suggest Any votes were cast under the names of people who were dead, simply that there are dead people with their names still on the voter rolls. Besides, even if votes were cast in the name of all 3.3 million, the charges of election fraud would be against the people who cast the votes, not President Obama. Really, you knew that, didn’t you? Throw out 3 million votes and Barack Obama still Beat McCain in decisive fashion. And your source’s math is way off: 3.3 million would constitute only 2.5% of the total people who voted in the 2008 Presidential election. Only 61% of registered voters voted in 2008.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15422.html
    So that makes your 3.3 million about 1.5% of the total registered voters, not 8.9%. Very poor fact-checking by a so-called news organization when I was able to figure out the real number in 5 minutes with a quick google search.

    CNSNews.com is a division of the Media Research Center, a not-for-profit 501 (c)(3) organization. Media Research Center, founded by Brent Bozell, funded by Harry Bradley Foundation, Scaife Foundation, Olin, etc. Biased at all you think?

    But even though you’re spouting BS Sam, I’m still pleased to see you moving forward to current political events, not looking back at Nov 4, 2008 and how to disqualify the man who won decisively. Progress.

  7. 11/3/2009Phil says:

    jvn,

    And the discussion moves from the so called “eligibility question” to politics.

    Now, who predicted THAT?

    “Just because you’re not paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you.”

    (And individuals such as myself are the ones labeled as being otherwise out of our minds…)

    But seriously, it is clear that you’re fairly new to my site, and that’s fine — you’re apparently ignorant (intentionally or no) that I’ve covered a variety of issues on my site.

    Remember, this is a personal experiment — a hobby — of mine. While I do focus on eligibility and States’ rights issues, those aren’t the only subjects I cover.

    -Phil

  8. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    The article above asks the following question….”How did these races start to turn against either the incumbents or the establishment picks, be they Democrat or Republican? Rush Limbaugh took part in an interview last Sunday on Fox News Sunday, and Neil Cavuto covered how the tea partiers took on the 23rd CD race in New York (h/t AmericanPower):”

    The “interview” of Rush by Chris Wallace was basically a game of softball…A review of the interview by Wallace stated the following…”A few more probing questions like these and Wallace will get himself nominated for this year’s Judith Miller awards for journalistic integrity. Indeed, he might just win…” That basically says everything you need to know about it…

    From the Daily kos…

    http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002314/

    I mean an interview where everything is blamed on President Obama and the Democrats? I am shocked. Who would have thought that?

  9. 11/3/2009jvn says:

    It’s your blog, Phil.

    You can post whatever you like.

    I agree that it’s healthy for you guys to move on…

  10. 11/3/2009Phil says:

    jvn,

    I agree that it’s healthy for you guys to move on…

    Well, let’s be clear about this. I’m “moving on” from eligibility for the moment. I can assure you that just because a few more Court cases got dismissed by no means signals that the eligibility question is dead, incapacitated, or otherwise illegitimate.

    -Phil

  11. 11/3/2009Observer says:

    jvn says:
    November 3, 2009 at 10:28 am
    It’s your blog, Phil.

    You can post whatever you like.

    I agree that it’s healthy for you guys to move on…

    Yes it’s necessary for the health of all to take a breather from the Obot Chinese water torture of repetitive knee jerk, intellecutally fatuous soundbite responses to serious and thoughtful topics up for informative discussion.

  12. 11/3/2009Observer says:

    The “Daily Kos” offered for some kind of icon of dependable unequivocating discernment and analysis. They need to purchase a few more buses though. There’s no more room under the ones they’ve used for tossing.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/10/30/oops-daily-kos-unendorses-scozzafava-ny-23-after-original-endorsement-

  13. 11/3/2009Glacialhills says:

    How does it work? Do you guys still get paid if the discussion isn’t about the eligibility issue, or is it just by the word like other news agencies do? Well don’t worry if it’s the former, The issue is very much alive. I look forward to seeing Mr. obama have to try to wiggle out of the issue in 2012, if not before.

    The health care sham follow’s right along hand in hand with the eligibility issue…both are trying to do away with the Constitution. I still am looking for the government mandated health-care for all clause or amendment in there, can you point it out to us?

    Now get back to work obots. you have rebuttals to make.

  14. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    How does it work? Do you guys still get paid if the discussion isn’t about the eligibility issue, or is it just by the word like other news agencies do? Well don’t worry if it’s the former, The issue is very much alive. I look forward to seeing Mr. obama have to try to wiggle out of the issue in 2012, if not before.

    The health care sham follow’s right along hand in hand with the eligibility issue…both are trying to do away with the Constitution. I still am looking for the government mandated health-care for all clause or amendment in there, can you point it out to us?

    Now get back to work obots. you have rebuttals to make.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Glacialhills, actually we get paid triple and a bonus for each ridiculous statement by the birthers that can be easily refuted, so keep them coming.

    Only in your mind the issue is alive. PRESIDENT Obama in 2012 will be running for his second term, not worrying about wingnut and crackpot theories about de Vattel and fake Kenyan birth certificates. But you are correct, we will see then. We will see if 70 million people are happy with the job that he has done or not. If they are then he will be rewarded with a second term. If not then we will have to live with 4 years of the country going back downhill.

  15. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    *How does it work?*

    Yes, how does it work? Do you get paid to comment here? Does Observer? Does Miserabljokitus? Is that the best you’ve got? A “nonny-nonny-boo-boo” insult?

    Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution gives the Congress the power to pass laws that provide for the general welfare. That’s the power they used to pass Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, WIC, the Farm Bill, No Child Left Behind and every other piece of legislation that required citizens to do something. And it’s the power they’re going to use to pass the Health Care Bill. If you don’t believe this is where Congress derives the power to make everyone have health insurance, then call your Representative or one of your Senators and confirm it. Like I told David, they Love this question and they answer it every day. Here’s the Capitol switchboard number.
    202-224-3121
    Give them your State or your zipcode and they will direct your call to the appropriate Congresscritter.

  16. 11/3/2009jvn says:

    Glacial -

    As noted earlier, to my knowledge, the ballot access laws have not changed in any state, not has Congress passed any change.

    So that means that the requirements for “proof” of “eligibility” will remain the same in 2012 as they were in 2008.

    In any event, the Obama campaign would simply supply any state election official who requested it a copy of the COLB that they ordered in 2007 FOR JUST THAT PURPOSE.

    That’s about as far as the President is going to have to “wiggle.”

    Oh, and I can confirm what BL said: I too get triple for my posts for the day when birthers make ridiculous statements that can be easily refuted. There’s a monthly bonus for the paid blogger who elicits the best response and for getting the most responses.

    KEEP THEM COMING!

  17. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Black Lion & jvn -

    Gah, triple bonus? Rahm’s holdin’ out on me, man. You guys must have that “Chicago” deal.

  18. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    siseduermapierda says:
    November 3, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    Black Lion & jvn -

    Gah, triple bonus? Rahm’s holdin’ out on me, man. You guys must have that “Chicago” deal.
    _________________________________________________________________
    I will let Rahm and the President know so that you can get the same deal as JVN and me…

  19. 11/3/2009David says:

    siseduermapierda,

    “Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution gives the Congress the power to pass laws that provide for the general welfare.”

    “If you don’t believe this is where Congress derives the power to make everyone have health insurance, then call your Representative or one of your Senators and confirm it. Like I told David, they Love this question and they answer it every day.”

    I see you’re still trying to convince everyone that the Constitution grants the federal government the authority to be tyrannical. Perhaps your representatives and senators have convinced you of such a preposterous notion, but mine have not.

    Keep repeating it sise…I think you’re actually convincing the incompetent (assuming you can read what you type).

  20. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    David says:
    November 3, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    *preposterous notion*

    Not at all. You choose to keep banging your gong of ignorance, but it’s the correct answer. Article I, Section 8 gives Congress the power to make everyone have health insurance. In all your flustering and name-calling, you have never given a shred of information that proves I’m wrong. And since it’s already Tuesday and you haven’t yet called to verify, it’s clear you realize I am right and are avoiding hearing the truth so you can continue to bluster about “it’s unconstitutional”. No David, it’s perfectly constitutional.

    202-224-3121 come on, make the call. What? Chicken? They LOVE to answer this question David. Make the Call!

  21. 11/3/2009misanthropicus says:

    RE Phil RE jvn:

    [...] I can assure you that just because a few more Court cases got dismissed by no means signals that the eligibility question is dead, incapacitated, or otherwise illegitimate. [...]

    … or that there isn’t such a thing like “kind of pregnant” -

    Whatever will happen ’till 2012 in this affair, we don’t know – but we know that:
    1) Obama will try to run for a second term,
    2) and that the BC will be a big issue,
    3) that the political & psychological landscape will be soundly different of the mass hypnosis of 2008,
    4) that preemptive challenges will be filed against Obama,
    5) and that types like Carter will not have the opportunity to claim that one or another tries to unseat a president – the challenges will aim to clear a presidential candidate’s claim of constitutional eligibility -

    Nice…

  22. 11/3/2009sue says:

    I wonder when Dr. Taitz is going to figure out that she is going to have to follow the rules like other attorneys?

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22069976/Rivernider-v-US-Bank-Order-on-Pls-First-Am-Mot-to-Subtitute-Counsel

  23. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    The health care sham follow’s right along hand in hand with the eligibility issue…both are trying to do away with the Constitution. I still am looking for the government mandated health-care for all clause or amendment in there, can you point it out to us?
    ___________________________________________________________________
    Glacialhills, have you been listening to Orrin Hatch and CNS news again? CNS, along with Hatch were the ones that came up with the loony idea that requiring Americans to have health insurance was unconstitutional. However true Constitutional experts, not Leo, Orly, or Mario Apuzzo, have indicated that it is indeed constitutional.

    US Irvine law professor Erwin Chemerinsky has stated that “under an unbroken line of precedents stretching back 70 years, Congress has the power to regulate activities that, taken cumulatively, have a substantial effect on interstate commerce.” The article also states like sise indicated previously that “Congress clearly could do this under its power pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution to regulate commerce among the states.”

    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=7DFE7C51-18FE-70B2-A81B83D9F09A146F

    In addition Yale Law Professor Akhil Reed Amar and Fordham Law School Dean William Treanor addressed the argument that the individual mandate portion of the medical insurance reform plan would violate the Constitution.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2224258/pagenum/all/

    So please tell us how requiring insurance and allowing a public option would somehow be a violation of the Constitution. Trust me if Congress was going to require medical insurance and leave it up to the private insurers there would be no issue. THe GOP would be advocating a plan like that in a heartbeat. The insurance companies would get excited in imagining how much money they could make if were forced to have insurance like we are forced to do with car insurance.

  24. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Black Lion says:
    November 3, 2009 at 3:50 pm
    *UC Irvine law professor Erwin Chemerinsky has stated that “under an unbroken line of precedents stretching back 70 years, Congress has the power to regulate activities that, taken cumulatively, have a substantial effect on interstate commerce.” The article also states like sise indicated previously that “Congress clearly could do this under its power pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution to regulate commerce among the states.”*

    Yes indeed, Article I Section 8.

    *In addition Yale Law Professor Akhil Reed Amar and Fordham Law School Dean William Treanor addressed the argument
    http://www.slate.com/id/2224258/pagenum/all/*

    And their answer? Article I Section 8.

    Thank you BL.

  25. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Observer says:
    November 3, 2009 at 11:30 am
    The “Daily Kos” offered for some kind of icon of dependable unequivocating discernment and analysis. They need to purchase a few more buses though. There’s no more room under the ones they’ve used for tossing.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/10/30/oops-daily-kos-unendorses-scozzafava-ny-23-after-original-endorsement-
    __________________________________________________________________
    Possibly. The Daily Kos is no different than newsbusters. It all depends on one’s political leanings…

    Either way this is an interesting article…Specifically the following sections from the article…

    “What is it that possesses certain conservatives to fool themselves so spectacularly into believing that they can create a majority out of a minority?”

    “That kind of alchemy hasn’t been seen since Nostradamus tried to turn lead into gold. In the case of far right conservatives who think that they can turn their meager numbers into a ruling majority all by themselves, the disconnect from reality would normally call for an intervention – except they reject anything from anybody who doesn’t agree with them 100%. Nor can they seem to grasp complex political realities that would complicate their simplistic, ignorant view that their idea of what constitutes a “conservative” reigns supreme all across the land.”

    http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/11/02/the-anti-reason-conservatives/

    “The recent Gallup poll showing that 40% of Americans see themselves as “conservative” was leapt upon by these morons as “proof” that their brand of anarcho-conservatism dominates the political landscape. Would that it were true. The fact that there are a dozen different definitions of “conservative” depending on where you live doesn’t seem to penetrate. And the pogrom they wish to carry out against “moderates” who agree with them on 90% of the issues they hold dear but fail their ever more spastic “litmus tests” guarantees Democratic dominance for the foreseeable future.”

  26. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    The health care sham follow’s right along hand in hand with the eligibility issue…both are trying to do away with the Constitution. I still am looking for the government mandated health-care for all clause or amendment in there, can you point it out to us?
    ____________________________________________________________________
    Just one more note…”Health care sham”? You mean the same sham that the GOP is trying to put forth as an alternative? Where the health care companies will make even more money and deny care to more? The sham is how many of the GOP is in the pocket of the Health care industry and how far they will go to kill any sort of reform. I mean they have even changed a Wall Street Journal story that had detailed and brought out the lesser points of the the so called GOP plan to make up stories of the Democratic plan….

    See for yourself…

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911030011

  27. 11/3/2009jvn says:

    Miss said: “and that the BC will be a big issue,’

    Not even close.

    The campaign requested the infamous COLB in 2007 for the specific purpose of having it on hand to present to any election officials who requested it. If, in 2012, officals ask to see it, it will be available to them.

    It won’t be an issue at all.

  28. 11/3/2009tminu says:

    jus soli jus sanguinis both parents (natural born citizen)
    is the only permutation not covered by the 14th amendment
    and Minor holds that NBC is not covered by the 14th defining a CITIZEN
    and Article II states that NBC is distinctly different from a CITIZEN
    and WKA holds that the native born child of an alien is not NBC, only a CITIZEN
    so other than “V” aliens, various mammaliae, arthropod, or other parents
    there’s no other possible combination left

    NBC HAS TO BE
    jus soli jus sanguinis both parents

  29. 11/3/2009Pete says:

    Phil,

    I think there is a message being sent, I just don’t think that some people are listening. Like I said, I just want when the time comes, NO PARDONS. I want all the paid posters, the frauds, the DOJ government paid scrubbers, people who hid the truth….yes…everyone of them to be held accountable.

  30. 11/3/2009tminu says:

    fyi: Kos, HuffPo, Media Matters, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, snopes, factcheck… are all 100% propaganda sources of liberal lies

    That’s what makes factcheck’s publication of Obama’s admission against interest even more poignant, admitting he was born British.

    No US president since the grandfather clause has ever openly revealed that they do not have two US citizen parents. Chester Arthur was a usurper who hid his father’s citizenship as revealed by naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com extensive historical documentations, since he knew he was not a natural born citizen, and some Indian tribes seek to challenge his land give-aways since he was never eligible. Obama is neither eligible, and we are in the midst of a so-far bloodless marxist coup with a usurper puppet-head installed despite the constitution, rendering that contract binding the nation states, null and void. As Vierra points out, any state may secede, any contract, owing, debt, treaty, appointment, obligation is also negated. The Constitutional Republic is dead as it now stands.

  31. 11/3/2009Observer says:

    Possibly. The Daily Kos is no different than newsbusters. It all depends on one’s political leanings…

    I wouldn’t agree. Kos whines about its own mistakes and the other reports on those mistakes!

  32. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Deeds ran on a Blue Dog agenda, and the Democrats didn’t come out to vote for him. Look at who’s voting in VA today, it’s not Democrats. The lesson in this election is that Democrats don’t win by moving to the center, they win by fighting for the people. Better to have a Republican in the office because you know what he is, than a Blue Dog Democrat who’ll tell you he’s for Democratic values,then screw you once he’s in office ( like Lieberman and Nelson, and Lincoln and Landreu in the Senate).

  33. 11/3/2009tminu says:

    Marcy Harris wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:24 PM AZ Daily Sun:
    ” My son lived in France. Their health care system stinks. It is available to everyone and is equally bad for all (guess that is spreading the wealth–er the misery–around). They are light years behind the US in the care they can provide–no private enterprise to drive that creative spark with a profit margin. Sanitation is poor and they just basically put everyone on an IV and let them sit for days until their turn (rationing) if they live that long.

    American Health Care is best for the most. Leave it alone. ”

    It’s the Democrats bulldozing over what Americans want, that’s getting this reaction.
    We don’t want commiecare, crapcare, Embalmacare, Obamacrypt, wait-behind-the-illegals-care.
    For 1/45th the cost of this obvious socialist monstrosity, we could just flat out outright cover EVERY single low income American’s healthcare.
    Pelosi and Obama are INSANE.

  34. 11/3/2009Black Lion says:

    Pete says:
    November 3, 2009 at 9:55 pm
    Phil,

    I think there is a message being sent, I just don’t think that some people are listening. Like I said, I just want when the time comes, NO PARDONS. I want all the paid posters, the frauds, the DOJ government paid scrubbers, people who hid the truth….yes…everyone of them to be held accountable.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Wow!!! Are you sure you didn’t miss anything? We have been hearing the same tired song for a year now and still Obama is the President. President Obama will be in office until at least 2013, and no matter how much you hope and wish that he will be removed from office, it is not going to happen. But you can dream though….

  35. 11/3/2009David says:

    siseduermapierda,

    “Article I, Section 8 gives Congress the power to make everyone have health insurance.”

    And still, you have no evidence of such a claim. You cannot provide any previous mandate from the federal government forcing anyone to purchase anything they do not wish to purchase for simply being alive. You cannot provide any shred of evidence where a court has ruled that Article I, Section 8 of the federal Constitution grants the authority to our federal government to force any individual to purchase something they do not wish to purchase. You cannot provide any shred of evidence that proves our Constitution was created in order for the federal government to implement tyrannical policies against the People.

    Am I too “chicken” to contact my representatives? No. If you knew how to read, you would know that I had already stated that my representative has convinced me of no such authority – he agrees with me. That’s why I voted for him.

    So, show me the clause, sise, that explains how our government can force any individual to purchase anything. Show me a statute. Show me a court opinion. You must have something other than repetition and the “Appeal to Your Representatives” fallacy of argumentation. Or is that really all you have? Seriously…at some point you have to at least try to understand what constitutional government is all about. I can’t keep explaining it to you if you simply refuse to learn.

    It’s a very basic concept: The People have the power over their government.

    Do you comprehend that? Now, run with it. (Better yet – crawl. I don’t want you to hurt yourself.)

  36. 11/3/2009misanthropicus says:

    … the elections are over, so what about liberals’ cynical jockeying and “deliberating”?
    Guess what? Last lofty lefties left leaning losingly in the rain ’cause they aren’t good no more after the 3rd., and by Thursday, the Grand Deliberator will suddenly come with the Afghanistan plan – no more golf, no more Stevie Wonder parties, we’re worried about our soldiers! Not like Bush and Cheney! We got to clean the mess we inherited from those bitter white guys in Brooks suits!

    Hey, Barry, it took a while, but heh! it’s elections time and you had to squeeze whatever you could from the MoveOn.Org crew and the other radicals.

    Ah, triangulation! This Democrat and liberal art! But still, if Barry keeps dumping all the losers that pushed him in the WH one maybe will hit back…
    Heard that Bill Ayres plans to hold a public, comparative literature seminary with parallel readings from Barry’s early, pristine draft of “Dreams From My Frank Marshall” – oops, sorry! it’s “Dreams From My Father” and his own, now a mandatory reading in Oslo, Trondheim and Lapland “Dreams From My Father” –

    I can see Siserda howling in Ayers’ audience at Six Gallery in San Francisco –

    And since we’re talking arts, Sise: Buffy, Yosi and Rocco are again under scrutiny for channeling Goebbels, Kabulevsky and the North Korea Ministery For Involved Arts – your take on that, sir?

    Life is beautiful -

  37. 11/3/2009siseduermapierda says:

    David says:
    November 3, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    For at least the eleventh time, Article I, Section 8 Clauses 1 and 3. Congress has the power to pass laws that provide for the general welfare of the United States and to regulate commerce among the several states. If a law requiring everyone to have health insurance were unconstitutional, your conservative buddies would have never let 5 bills containing this requirement get to a vote in 5 different committees. Funny how there are no members of Congress trying to make the argument that it’s unconstitutional. Apparently your representative is too shy to make his position known to the public.

    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=7DFE7C51-18FE-70B2-A81B83D9F09A146F

  38. 11/4/2009Roderick says:

    Good evening everybody and thanks for tuning in. ‘bama threw Deeds under the bus in order to stump for Corzine. Didn’t work. Back to the drawing board for ‘bama. Messiah and president of the world. Jersey went ‘bama in ’08. Sign of bad things to come for the savior of the universe. I guess the people of the world are still waiting for their handouts from ‘bama. The people of Jersey have had enough of the fraud. Good luck ‘bama and remember you’re not president of Germany until they vote for you. Make sure you photoshop that German birth certificate correctly because I’m quite sure the Germans are going to be questioning it. Of course Black Lion will insist that it is the real mccoy.

  39. 11/4/2009misanthropicus says:

    RE Roderick:

    [...] The people of Jersey have had enough of the fraud. [...]

    ’till the last moment, even now we’re living through this liberl crap – remember how Saturday the NJ cops busted Jason Shih, Corzine’s aide, loaded with a trunkload of ecstasy and marijuana?
    Just a short note in New York Post, and after that everything went in obscurity -

    Now, just think of a similar incident having happened in a republican campaign – the TV stations and the papers would have been all over the place, howling, asking for any possible forms of inquries, etc. –

    Great success for the republicans – campaigning on two fronts, against democrats AND the MSM is not easy task -

  40. 11/4/2009Glacialhills says:

    What happened to the televised health care negotiation’s on C-span we were promised SISE, Black lion? Guess they went the way of the most open and transparent administration in history promise. Lets see, I think the bill is up to one thousand eight hundred pages and counting, but wait! it has yet to even be printed so it cant be read yet, and good ole Nance said she will give the public 3 day to read it…how generous. Wish some of the dems that have their hands in our pockets would take a few moments to read it as well.

    Now I know all you Obots don’t have a problem with a bloated mandate being passed that nobody has read, and that will take over one sixth of the economy overnight,Just as long as its “Liberal MSM Approved” but the rest of us kind of have a problem with these backroom, cover of darkness, have to pass yesterday or the sky will fall, bills that dont even get read till they are already jammed down our throat.

    You want government health care?…then move to France or Great Britain. But lets leave our health care system alone, it’s the one on the cutting edge, the one that leads the world in innovation and abundance, the one that attracts all the best doctors from all over the world to work in …Yes, lets leave our system alone and maybe you can at least come back here when you need a kidney transplant or heart surgery like the rest of the world does today.

    Ever wonder why that is? What am I saying of course you don’t…You believe our health care system is terrible even compared to Cuba or Russia. They must come to our hospitals when illness strikes them to laugh at our backward, capitalist, monopolies.Dont they have hospitals and free health care in those countries? If you ever need an operation why dont you go over there where the healthcare is free and the glasses are rose colored.

    Hope you like the wait.

    I actually think all of this nonsense you obots are pushing is doing some good for the country. It’s awakening a lazy, lulled asleep public to the loss of freedom that is happening at light speed, and the utter disregard for the constitution that the Dems have only been nibbling at till recently, and people are finally realizing what has been happening the last 60 years of this liberal nightmare. Only when it was slowly eroded, and freedom was sold for a little bit of perceived security or”public good” or Public wellfare as Sise says did nobody but a few react or speak up and proclaim the unconstitutional nature of the matter, but this huge push has opened peoples eyes, FINALLY!

    With these first election’s, I think we just might be seeing an early glimpse of things to come , And we may yet see the “change” that people so desperately wanted, finally happen.

  41. 11/4/2009David says:

    siseduermapierda,

    Chemerinsky? Oh, that’s rich. That would be the equivalent to citing George Bush about the constitutionality of the Iraq War – except Chemerinsky’s opinion is wrong. This guy is a well known and admitted liberal (leftist). Was Karl Marx not available for comment on this matter?

    From his illogical article that you cited:

    “The Supreme Court has held that this includes authority to regulate activities that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce. In the area of economic activities, ‘substantial effect’ can be found based on the cumulative impact of the activity across the country. For example, a few years ago, the Supreme Court held that Congress could use its commerce clause authority to prohibit individuals from cultivating and possessing small amounts of marijuana for personal medicinal use because marijuana is bought and sold in interstate commerce.”

    OK…interstate commerce – we all know the federal government has the authority to regulate that, but how does preventing someone from growing and possessing an illegal substance relate to health insurance?

    “The court has said that Congress can use its commerce power to forbid hotels and restaurants from discriminating based on race, even though their conduct was refusing to engage in commercial activity. Likewise, the court has said that Congress can regulate the growing of marijuana for personal medicinal use, even if the person being punished never engaged in any commercial activity.”

    Discrimination based on race and regulating marijuana growing – again, what does this have to do with forcing individuals to buy health insurance?

    “Under an unbroken line of precedents stretching back 70 years, Congress has the power to regulate activities that, taken cumulatively, have a substantial effect on interstate commerce. People not purchasing health insurance unquestionably has this effect.”

    People not purchasing homes has a substantial effect on interstate commerce as well, but does the government have the authority to force anyone to buy a house? What about cars? How about computers, phones, or washing machines?

    “Congress can require the purchase of health insurance and then tax those who do not do so in order to pay their costs to the system. This is similar to Social Security taxes, which everyone pays to cover the costs of the Social Security system.”

    Unlike Social Security, “everyone” will not be taxed – only those who choose not to carry any insurance. It is not at all “similar,” and any reasonable court would agree.

    “Nor is there any basis for arguing that an insurance requirement violates individual liberties. No constitutionally protected freedom is infringed. There is no right to not have insurance. Most states now require automobile insurance as a condition for driving.”

    Excellent logic. There is also no right to not own a house or to not purchase ten books of postage stamps every week. So, I suppose we should look forward to a new “stimulus” bill that will force every citizen to buy a home to stimulate the housing market and ten books of stamps every week in order to save the failing USPS. And as I explained in Phil’s other article – car insurance mandated by the states is not at all comparable. Owning and driving a motor vehicle is not a right. The states can require insurance for anyone who chooses to own and operate a vehicle. The choice is on the individual to own and operate a vehicle or not – they can find alternative transportation. Health insurance would be mandated for no other reason than for being alive. Choosing between purchasing insurance you do not want or need, or dying to avoid it, is not a choice.

    “Since the late 1930s, the Supreme Court has ruled that government economic regulations, including taxes, are to be upheld as long as they are reasonable. Virtually all economic regulations and taxes have been found to meet this standard for more than 70 years.”

    Probably true…but how many of them addressed the federal government forcing individuals to purchase a product or service they have chosen not to purchase?

    “Those who object to the health care proposals on constitutional grounds are making an argument that has no basis in the law. They are invoking the rhetorical power of the Constitution to support their opposition to health care reform, but the law is clear that Congress constitutionally has the power to do so.”

    “Rhetorical power of the Constitution”? The last time I checked, the Constitution was not rhetorical. It is the document that grants authority to our federal government to protect the rights of individuals and to establish the restrictive operating laws for that government. It does not authorize the federal government to force the People to spend their earned income on products or services they have chosen not to purchase. Nowhere in the Constitution, in no clause whatsoever, does the government acquire that power. There is no basis in legal construction for such an interpretation. The People did not grant our federal government the authority to enslave them under tyranny.

    Those who advocate for the federal government forcing individuals to purchase health insurance on constitutional grounds are making an argument that has no basis in law.

    Care to try again, sise? Was that your best supporting argument? How pitifully inept.

  42. 11/4/2009Practical Kat says:

    ALBANY – Democrat Bill Owens Tuesday won New York’s 23rd Congressional District, parts of which have been in Republican hands since the Civil War.

    Conservative Doug Hoffman conceded shortly after midnight. With 88 percent of precincts reporting, Owens led Hoffman by nearly 4,300 votes.

    From Newsday: http://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/democrats-take-new-york-s-23rd-congressional-district-1.1567660

  43. 11/4/2009jvn says:

    You guys make it seem like there are hundreds of thousands of “freedom loving” conservative activists out there opting not to purchase health care coverage to “pave the way for freedom.”

    Please.

    Those who “choose” to not have health care primarily do so because they can’t afford it or because they don’t want to afford it.

    Even though y’all are using this issue to try to stir people up to rally against their own best interests, you would be wise to leave the issue alone, because without it private health care may well be doomed.

    See, the bills all prevent insurance carriers from declining coverage for people in poor health or who have pre-existing conditions. If they don’t also get an influx of healthy young people, they will begin bleeding money.

    Whatever bill passes will likely have a trigger to allow a public option based upon rising costs – which is what will happen without a mandate, so…

    If you get your “freedom fighting” wish and the mandate is not in the final bill, ultimately you set up a single payer, government run system. Have it your way!

    That’s one of the problems with being a know nothing party, people not caring about the results of legislation, you aren’t thinking straight.

    Besides, do you REALLY think that millions of Republicans would drop their insurance as a protest?

    Me neither!

  44. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    David says:
    November 4, 2009 at 3:58 am
    *inept*

    Another Long, angry screed. Little content.Let us know when your representative grows a pair and states publicly he thinks the bill is unconstitutional. And by all means, file suit against the US after the bill passes. Let us know how it goes.

  45. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 4, 2009 at 3:38 am
    * it has yet to even be printed so it cant be read yet*
    If you’re talking about the House consolidated bill, it’s been available for a week. Easily found at the House website. As far as I know, no one ever promised CSPAN cameras in the mark-up sessions.

    http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

    There are 2 Senate bills:
    S1679 out of the HELP committee
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:s1679pcs.txt.pdf

    S1796 out of the Senate Finance committee
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1796/show

    http://finance.senate.gov/press/Bpress/2009press/prb102109a.pdf

  46. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 4, 2009 at 3:38 am
    *Lets see, I think the bill is up to one thousand eight hundred pages and counting, but wait! it has yet to even be printed *

    The House consolidated bill? it’s been available for a week! Too lazy to do a simple google search? No one ever promised CSPAN cameras in bill consolidation or mark-up sessions.

    http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

    And you realize there are two Senate bills too?
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1679/show

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1796/show

  47. 11/4/2009Black Lion says:

    To follow up to the article there were some interesting results from the elections yesterday….

    Per CNN, voters in Virginia did not see their state’s gubernatorial race as an opportunity to voice opposition to Barack Obama. A 55 percent majority of voters said that the President was not a factor in their vote, and an additional 18 percent indicated their vote in Virginia was one of support in the President. Just 24 percent of voters indicated that their vote was one of opposition to President Obama. The numbers out of New Jersey are not terribly different, with 60 percent saying that Barack Obama played no role in their gubernatorial vote, 19 percent saying that their vote was one in support of the President, and 20 percent saying that their vote was in opposition to President Obama.

    Concludes CNN, this is not a referendum on Barack Obama.

    Chuck Todd reports that Barack Obama’s approval rating among Virginia voters stands at 51 percent (just under the 52.6 percent of the vote he received in the state last November) and 57 percent in New Jersey (almost exactly the same as the 57.1 percent of the vote he earned in that state last November). In other words, exit polling indicates President Obama has not really lost supporters over the past year.

    In Virginia, McDonnell (R) was by far a better candidate than the Democrats’ Deeds. And while NJ Gov. Jon Corzine continues to suffer from approval ratings in the 30s, the race is only competitive because the Republican has turned out to be a horrendous candidate. Incumbents with approval ratings in the 30s have no business winning reelection.

    From the Washington Post….

    “Advice to readers about the coming orgy of analysis about the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial elections: Ignore it. Disquisitions on The Meaning of It All for President Obama or the 2009 results as a harbinger for Congress in 2010 have scant basis in reality.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/03/AR2009110302624.html

    And in the infamous NY 23 race, the Democrats pick up a seat they hadn’t held since the Civil War. So we are not sure if this is a referendum on the President or a miscalculation by the national GOP to run a ultra conservative candidate in a moderate GOP area. I guess time will tell….

  48. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Black Lion says:
    November 4, 2009 at 10:33 am
    *Concludes CNN, this is not a referendum on Barack Obama. *

    I think what we saw yesterday is the wrath of voters for the state of their states being taken out on their governors. Look at the popularity of governors nationwide: they’re all tanking. Palin’s numbers were tanking before she quit, the Governator is failing in CA, Ted Strickland, who many Ohioans love(d), is struggling. People were taking out their economic frustrations on their state leadership. More interesting was the NY23 race where a few ultra-conservs drove away the Republican candidate and a Democrat won in a district that has had a Republican rep since the mid-1800′s – and before that it was a whig! NY23 shows how little little clout the ultra-fundies really have. But I hope they keep it up, they’ve turned their sights on driving out Gingrich. When only 19% say they’re Republican, can you really still claim to be a major party?

  49. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Forgot to add, if you were looking for the race that truly foreshadows 2010, it wasn’t NY23, it was CA10: Democrat who is unabashedly liberal wins handily in a suburban, moderate district.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20091104/pl_cq_politics/politics3239040_2

  50. 11/4/2009kj says:

    The election results could be interpreted as a strong message to the Republican party to not put up democrat-lite candidates for office.
    Consider for NY 23: Has a conservative party candidate ever won a national level office in a NY state election? What is the maximum percentage of the vote that such a candidate has captured? Are the results for Doug Hoffman a record?

    NY 23 should also be a word of caution. Didn’t people voting for what they thought they saw in Mr. Obama (instead of what he really was) get us into this mess in the first place?
    Who knew anything about Doug Hoffman other than he was running on the Conservative Party ticket? I never heard anything about his past experience or qualifications.

  51. 11/4/2009misanthropicus says:

    MUST SEE! MUST SEE! MUST SEE!
    Obama’s glow is gone? But the Obama-jugendisation is schools goes a brisk pace.
    Breitbart’s Big Hollywood has just posted 11 more videos with teens and toddlers performing adorational songs for the One – you’ll see them all on Breitbart, and you simply won’t believe that the 3rd. Reich and North Korea have moved and comfortably live in America:

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/11/04/elementary-epidemic-11-uncovered-videos-show-school-children-performing-praises-to-obama/

  52. 11/4/2009jvn says:

    Notably the state assembly in NJ remained solidly Democratic after the election last night while the NJ Senate is not up for re-election until 2011. This means that even though the GOP won the Governor’s office, the Democrats will control re-districting again in NJ, and the new Governor will START his term with less than 50% support.

    It would have been nice to hold NJ, but Corzine was detested, and so, he lost.

  53. 11/4/2009MGB says:

    GlacialHills: Some of them ALREADY LIVE in the UK. Perhaps even in France. Some of them are sitting in a Soros-funded war room on the other side of The Pond.

  54. 11/4/2009sue says:

    “Yesterday’s Overwhelming Historic Republican Victory Makes Democratic Health Care Reform Just A Bit Easier
    Brian Beutler | November 4, 2009, 10:04AM
    “Most of the commentary about last night’s elections has centered around Republican pickups in the New Jersey and Virginia statehouses. But what’s gone largely unnoticed is that the two congressional seats up for grabs last night both went to Democrats, and that will have immediate ramifications for health care reform.

    The NY-23 seat abdicated by Republican John McHugh (who resigned to become Secretary of the Army) went to Democrat Bill Owens–the first Democrat to hold the seat in over a century. And the CA-10 seat abdicated by Democrat Ellen Tauscher (who resigned to become Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs) went to Democrat John Garamendi.

    That creates some simple arithmetic. Yesterday, Democrats had 256 voting members in the House. By week’s end, they’ll have 258. Last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi could afford to lose no more than 38 Democratic votes on a landmark health care reform bill. Next week, after Owens and Garamendi are sworn in, she can lose up to 40. For legislation this historic and far-reaching, she’ll need every vote she can get–and both seem likely to support reform.”

    more here http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/yesterdays-overwhelming-historic-republican-victory-makes-democratic-health-care-reform-just-a-bit-e.php

  55. 11/4/2009roderick says:

    ‘bama can you please come over to my state and force these people to vote for me. yes i will see what i can do. please ‘bama this is of utmost urgency i need to retain my governorship. yes corzine since it does not look like deeds has a chance over there in virginia i will waste my time campaigning for you since you are so close to winning in the polls and if you win i will take all the credit for said victory but if you lose the white house is going to play it down. ok mr. imposter president that sounds like a good plan i am on board.

  56. 11/4/2009Glacialhills says:

    Just because there are printed bills put out by the house and the senate right now does not mean that That anything in them will be in the final bill.The ones you are Lauding are nothing near what the final bloated tentacled draft will look like. But read away. Kind of like reading the first draft of nightmares of my father must have been like, They are gonna tweak every line…twice before they pass it through both houses and it wont look anything like the one you are Heralding now.Latest greatest house version Pages 1381-88 are great ones.What a joke.

    I could care less about these phone books thick with pork, thin with constitutionality, and in need of serious overview. Let us see it when it comes out of the houses. Lets have a national discussion on the final one BEFORE you vote on it. How refreshing that would be.

    Me, I think anything that cant be written in 10 pages or less has a lot in there that needs to hide in a forest of pages to ever get passed. Your philosophy must be the bigger the better. I bet not one senator,representative will read even a 20th of the final bill they vote on( I am probably being overly generous, more like a 200th of the pages).And we wont have time to,gotta pass it before we can really find out what’s in it and public opinion crashes the party.

    I can not fathom how you are comfortable with these unconstitutional Czars reworking your country piece by piece, and you are happy to give over your health care to them without even seeing or understanding what is in those 1800+ pages, because rest assured, each one of the Czars has many of their pet projects nestled in them somewhere.

    SAD, but I guess in your world of make believe, this is exactly the change you needed and wanted to be made for you.

  57. 11/4/2009David says:

    siseduermapierda,

    “Another Long, angry screed. Little content.Let us know when your representative grows a pair and states publicly he thinks the bill is unconstitutional. And by all means, file suit against the US after the bill passes. Let us know how it goes.”

    Exactly the type of response I expected.

    Again.

  58. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 4, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    *Just because there are printed bills put out by the house and the senate right now does not mean that That anything in them will be in the final bill.*

    Of course not. But HR3962 is the reconciled House bill the House will vote on. The Senate has to reconcile S1679 and S1796. When the House and Senate bills pass, those will have to be reconciled. You made a dramatic statement that no one can see the House bill. But it has been available to Read for a week. Now when you have links to the 3 bills handed to you, you have a different problem with it. Sheesh.

  59. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    sue says:
    November 4, 2009 at 12:41 pm
    *NY-23 and CA-10 …..Yesterday, Democrats had 256 voting members in the House. By week’s end, they’ll have 258. *

    Bingo. +2 House Democrats was more important than 2 State Governors.

  60. 11/4/2009sue says:

    Sis,

    Thought this was pretty interesting too.

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/tea_leaves_readem_here.php?ref=fpblg
    TPM Editors Blog
    Tea Leaves (Read’em Here)
    Josh Marshall | November 4, 2009, 8:43AM
    Excerpt
    “Almost without any notice, Maine and Washington state both had so-called Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) initiatives on the ballot. And both went down to defeat. That’s an important barometer of right-wing, anti-spending, anti-government sentiment that should not be ignored.”

  61. 11/4/2009Aristotle the Hun says:

    Recently some misguided and ill informed person made the mistaken assumption that I was backing off on the eligibility issue.

    Here is an update:

    1. Citizen Grand Juries that the public knows about are legally impotent but served the useful purpose of educating many citizens as to the evidence against Obama and kept the issue in front of the public eye (at least on the Internet).

    2. Civil action like Orly’s have always been doomed and are either a mistake or PSYOPS by Obots. Like the Citizen Grand Juries these efforts kept the issue alive until it is time for the coup de grace.

    3. Criminal actions in all 50 states are in process but will not be revealed until the procedurally correct time to do so. Or to make clear a standard protocol of intelligence work; never let the subject know the direction or strategy of an investigation beyond that which keeps him looking over his shoulder. Remember Butch and Sundance saying, “Who are those guys?”

    The top five hits on my blog are as follows:

    thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

    hesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/blank-birth-certificate-form-aka-obama.html

    thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

    thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/11/obama-train-wreck-biggest-mistake-in.html

    thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-create-crisis-and-steal-nation.html

  62. 11/4/2009Glacialhills says:

    Sise, When I said the bill was up to 1800+ pages I thought most would understand that 1800+ pages meant I knew some sort of documents were put out by the various houses. I didn’t think I would need to say that the Final bill has yet to be printed yet. Sorry I forget when I am talking to Obamabots, I must slow down.

    My bad. Thanks for cutting and pasting for all the minions to be able to find them. I do know you are trying to help and think you are right.

  63. 11/4/2009AnotherReader says:

    Sise,

    Forgot to add, if you were looking for the race that truly foreshadows 2010, it wasn’t NY23, it was CA10: Democrat who is unabashedly liberal wins handily in a suburban, moderate district.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20091104/pl_cq_politics/politics3239040_2

    You really live in some sort of fairy tale land don’t you? I can’t wait for the 2010 elections to roll around. Any objective analysis of the data shows that the Dem’s are in real trouble. Based on current polling numbers, analysis of the voting patterns in the districts that are in play, etc. it doesn’t look good for them at all.

    But that really is the problem here isn’t it? Arrogance and the inability to see what’s right in front of them has taken down more past politicians, leaders, and generals than can be counted. So I invite you to keep your head buried in the sand, and keep spinning it.

  64. 11/4/2009misanthropicus says:

    FOR Siserda:

    Great news, Siserda, CNN defenitively confirms what the liberals have been saying al day long:

    CNN: “Elections not a referendum on Obama – Victories in New Jersey and Virginia gave a boost to the GOP ahead of the 2010 elections, but analysts say the results should not be interpreted as a blow to President Obama. [...]

    Thanks, God! Muriel, told you so – this man! This man! Ah, had they let him go to Danemark, he sure had brought to Olympics to his beloved native Roa-Noa!

    And those yankees in Maine – who cares! Let’s not speak anymore about them, Breitbart has on Big Hollywood 11 videos about the One, all so moving!

  65. 11/4/2009misanthropicus says:

    RE Siserda:

    [...] Forgot to add, if you were looking for the race that truly foreshadows 2010, it wasn’t NY23, it was CA10: Democrat who is unabashedly liberal wins handily in a suburban, moderate district. [...]

    Siserda, great peyote supplier you have, and now take this fron one in Los Angeles: Garamendi had a lock on the race from the very beginning, he had the money and the name recognition.
    And in spite of your praising him (anything that you appreciate is normally rotten), I like Garamendi who has a convicing technical background (Insurance commissioner in Caifornia) and has no contours of a liberal.

    Garamendi is a rather a populist Dem, and his election is no harbinger for Democrat survival in 2010 – unfortunately, there aren’t that many Garamendi-s around -

  66. 11/4/2009Observer says:

    “Almost without any notice, Maine and Washington state both had so-called Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) initiatives on the ballot. And both went down to defeat. That’s an important barometer of right-wing, anti-spending, anti-government sentiment that should not be ignored.”

    How??? And don’t dig yourself in any deeper in trying to explain those selections!!

  67. 11/4/2009Geir (Gerhardt) Smith says:

    Atila Hun, I don’t know if you’re intelligent enough from Mensa to understand three numbers 666 777 and 9
    Maybe too hard to GRASP for someone like you of lower intelligence.

  68. 11/4/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Glacialhills says:
    November 4, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    *Sise, When I said the bill was up to 1800+ pages I thought most would understand that 1800+ pages meant I knew some sort of documents were put out by the various houses. I didn’t think I would need to say that the Final bill has yet to be printed yet.*

    The Final Bill Doesn’t Exist Yet!!! The House bill hasn’t passed, and the two Senate bills have not been reconciled. Once the House and Senate each pass their bill, the two bills will be reconciled to make the final bill. That bill is weeks away. That’s why it hasn’t been printed/ posted. But I stand by my previous post: The House final bill has been available online as a pdf for a week. The two Senate bills have been available since September. You don’t have to print them to read them. I gave you the links to pdf’s. The final bill won’t be substantially different from HR3962, so you can get ahead of the game and read it now! By the way, when they reconcile the final bill, they will publish a document telling the differences between the reconciled bill and the House and Senate bills. You won’t need 3 days to read the changes document if you’ve already read HR 3962 and the Senate bill. Get to work!

  69. 11/4/2009jvn says:

    AnotherReader -

    What polls are you looking at that show the Democrats “in trouble” in 2010?

    RCPs Generic Congressional Vote average:

    Dem – 46.3
    Rep – 41.7

    Yes, they face tough races on at least 9 seats they won last year in heavily Republican districts, but that is to be expected.

    It would appear that the Ds will lose 10-15 House seats, but remain comfortably in charge.

    They might GAIN a seat in the Senate…

    Care to show us what polling you’re looking at?

  70. 11/4/2009Benaiah says:

    Article II Natural Born Citizen
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nR98wXbvC_E/Suy8qF0frEI/AAAAAAAAAAs/YBFj8apt89M/s1600-h/NBC+Defined+Graphic.jpg

  71. 11/4/2009misanthropicus says:

    Excellent Krauthammer on Fox about how initially the Health Care bill, then Obama are becoming a burden for the Democrat Party – a transformational presidency becoming an act of collective suicide for the Dems -

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/11/04/krauthammer_on_races_compares_obama_campaign_to_cultural_revolution.html

  72. 11/4/2009Rich says:

    jvn says:
    November 4, 2009 at 12:33 pm
    Notably the state assembly in NJ remained solidly Democratic after the election last night while the NJ Senate is not up for re-election until 2011. This means that even though the GOP won the Governor’s office, the Democrats will control re-districting again in NJ, and the new Governor will START his term with less than 50% support.

    It would have been nice to hold NJ, but Corzine was detested, and so, he lost.
    __________________________________________________________________
    That is incorrect. It is a 13 member re-districting commission, six from both parties and an independent appointed by a vote of 7 of the 12 members already appointed to the commission.

    Being from NJ and having been heavily involved in statewide politics for 15 years, I can say the most impressive part of the victory was the resurrection of the Reagan democrats. Christie took Middlesex and Gloucester counties, which have gone heavily democrat (the last republican to win Gloucester was 1996). In passaic county, the GOP swept in three freeholder and the county clerk, and Passaic was a county solidly Democrat since 2001.
    This was a clear message to Corzine, and the areas that gave large pluralities to Christie were areas that were against the Obama agenda (Ocean and Monmouth and the three northwestern counties). And those counties have NEVER produced pluralities of that size, until yesterday.

  73. 11/4/2009Aristotle the Hun says:

    “Aristotle The Hun, I don’t know if you’re intelligent enough from Mensa to understand three numbers 666 777 and 9″

    You can’t fool me! That is seven numbers. I never was good at math but I can still count. :-)

  74. 11/4/2009misanthropicus says:

    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose” (the more it changes, the more remains the same): great French saying that applies so well to yesterday’s elections – after all, the USA is populated by a center-right nation, and despite some recent compass aberrations, the needle will return to where it has generally pointed to (Maine, gay-rights vote shows this very well, too).

    Also Krauthammer speaking about Obama’s attempt to implement a mandate that never was enacted in 2008 – this suddely reminded me of an old photo with Lenin and cohorts, upon returning to Russia, a line of a dozen or so of people in long, winter jackers purposefully crossing a street to go business.

    Yes, Obama and his crew trying to implement change in America are very much like Lenin’s and his gang when returning to Russia – fortunately that disaster won’t happen a second time here -

  75. 11/4/2009Roderick says:

    And now for the interview with Christie. Gov.-elect Christie do you intend to reach across the aisle? Huh, huh, huh he snickers yeah I intend to reach across the aisle.

  76. 11/4/2009Black Lion says:

    misanthropicus says:
    November 4, 2009 at 7:13 pm
    Excellent Krauthammer on Fox about how initially the Health Care bill, then Obama are becoming a burden for the Democrat Party – a transformational presidency becoming an act of collective suicide for the Dems -
    ____________________________________________________________________
    Wow…An obviously biased article from FOX analyst Krauthammer. What else did you expect him to say? Of course there are others that saw things a bit differently….

    “That creates some simple arithmetic. Yesterday, Democrats had 256 voting members in the House. By week’s end, they’ll have 258. Last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi could afford to lose no more than 38 Democratic votes on a landmark health care reform bill. Next week, after Owens and Garamendi are sworn in, she can lose up to 40. For legislation this historic and far-reaching, she’ll need every vote she can get–and both seem likely to support reform.”

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/yesterdays-overwhelming-historic-republican-victory-makes-democratic-health-care-reform-just-a-bit-e.php

  77. 11/4/2009jvn says:

    And in a “coincidence” the new House members will be on hand for Saturday’s historic vote on health care reform…

  78. 11/5/2009misanthropicus says:

    RE Black Lion Re misanthropicus:

    [...] Wow…An obviously biased article from FOX analyst Krauthammer. What else did you expect him to say? Of course there are others that saw things a bit differently [...]

    BL, talk to me bias, baby, but be prudent, since the uber-objective CNN has barely blipped lately, ratings-wise on the screen, the NYT is on a blanket on a side-walk for sale, people passing by, and the entire MSM establishment is regarded by most Americans with (well deserved) contempt.

    I understand that you as an Obama adorer and enforcer have a problem with Krauthammer – isn’t Krauthammer the one who (rightfully) rated Obama’s constantly blaming Bush for anything as “disgusting”?
    Winds of change a’blowin’ my worthy fellow – even Matthews’s tingling hind members crisis has stopped – I noticed that he stopped scratching his legs lately (but Olberman is still doing his secret flamengo under the table, it’s true).

    Best regards –

    PS: Siserda’s hind legs problem is different of Olberman’s: Siserda’s hind, clawy legs when not his mouth are actively scratching his expressive head, while he’s frantically dragging his rear on the ground, yelping – heh, holistic therapy for the effects of some spicy food slurped from MoveOnOrg’s, Daily Kos’, TPM’s and HuffPo’s food trough for Obatrolls -

  79. 11/5/2009misanthropicus says:

    RE jvn:

    [...] And in a “coincidence” the new House members will be on hand for Saturday’s historic vote on health care reform… [...]

    JVN, the health care reform is history, baby – by the way, do you wear flared pants, eat in diners with table Tvs fed with quarters, sport Orbison shades and a two feet-high pompadour?
    Jvn, wake up to reality, use your mentality, read, you can do it:

    “Carville: obamacare in trouble:”
    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/independents_election_GOP/2009/11/03/281277.html

  80. 11/5/2009MGB says:

    Another Obama mentor:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/obama_pal_edward_said_another.html

    So that’s where he got the idea for his fictional “auto”biography.

  81. 11/5/2009MGB says:

    Here’s another great read, for good measure:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/radicals_on_the_run.html

  82. 11/5/2009Kevin J says:

    There is something wholly distasteful that these people think that they can just switch the D behind their name to an R. That should tell everyone that a) they just care about getting elected and b) they have zero principles. As voters, it’s now more important than ever to look at the voting records (not what these people say they are about but what specifically they have voted for/against) of those running for higher office.

    I’d argue that one of the reasons the Conservative wing of the Republican party is not stronger is because we have allowed less-conservative, more liberal thinkers to creep into our ranks without being challenged. It’s about principles people, nothing more. I used to think Lindsey Graham of SC was a conservative, his record indicates he really is not. Same for John S McCain. These are “progressive” types that want nothing different than what the liberals want and that is more government, more taxes and ultimately a “nanny state”.

    Throw them out of office, the sooner the better.

  83. 11/5/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Oh, it’s Judges, Sheriffs and County Commissioners switching parties? Well who gives a flying flip? Good way to tease the “elected official” angle. Really, a sheriff in Texas switches parties? Whoopdeedoo. It’s a real stretch to try to say local politicians are an indication of anything going on in DC.

  84. 11/5/2009Kevin J says:

    If anyone can point me to the research article quoted by Rep. Michelle Bachmann on the Hanity show regarding the 30% takeover of the private sector, I would be most grateful. She didn’t cite an author’s name so it’s hard to validate what she claims is factual. It sounds like a VERY interesting study.

  85. 11/5/2009siseduermapierda says:

    Kevin J says:
    November 5, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Why don’t you google ” Arizona State Economist US wealth”?

    Michelle Bachmann tells Hannity a very big fat hairy lie. She says that the House bill on p. 92 says that after 5 years, no one can buy private health insurance, they have to buy the public option. Baloney, what it says on p. 92 is that after 5 years, any employer-sponsored plan must meet the same requirements as apply to the health plans that are available in the group of choices that compare to the public plan. She said forcing people to buy the public option is driving everyone to “Single-payer”. That is also a fat lie. The Public Option is not Single Payer. Lies, Dissembling, Silliness. By the way, how many people showed up to her little flash mob on the Capitol steps today?

  86. 11/5/2009Observer says:

    Sise, too bad you don’t have the discernment or interpretive skills that Mrs. Bachmann has. Oh, and btw, I’ve got a bridge to sell you too while you’re in the mood. There are quite a few gullibles who have bought it before though. You might want to consult with them first. Re: this “healthcare” (that forces people to pay for killing human life – go figure), those other gullibles for your consulting might be in UK, Canada, etc.

  87. 11/5/2009Observer says:

    Wow…An obviously biased article from FOX analyst Krauthammer. What else did you expect him to say?

    That’s right … we always expect such truth from the erudite physician/commentator/writer.

  88. 11/5/2009Kevin J says:

    siseduermapierda,
    You need to calm down. You are way TOO emotionally attached to this it appears, as you have lost any sense of being fair.

    I did ‘google’ “Arizona State Economist US wealth” and guess what? It found over 35,000 articles. I even ‘yahoo-ed’ several other permutations, and got similar results. Does that mean you expect me to read each search result ‘hit’?

    So, once again, I’ll rephrase my question, can anyone here (beside those that are too emotionally attached) point me to the article of which Rep. Michelle Bachmann speaks?

    Thank you!

  89. 11/5/2009Kevin J says:

    sise,
    you wrote:
    “It’s a real stretch to try to say local politicians are an indication of anything going on in DC.”

    Are you saying it never happens? I can name two senators in the last five years that have switched their party affiliation. So it is NOT a stretch, but thanks for playing!!

  90. 11/5/2009misanthropicus says:

    … Obama still AWOL after elections…
    Before the elections it was clear that Obama will delay any Afghanistan move ’till the 3rd. in order to secure the MoveOn Org loons’ vote for Corzine – yet, interesting enough, election over, and he’s still in neutral. Fear of responsibility? Sedition?
    We’ll see – bellow the latest from Politico regarding this:
    ————-*————-
    *POLITICO/McCain ‘angry’ over Afghanistan delay*
    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Thursday that he is “angry” and “disappointed” with President Barack Obama for delaying his decision on increasing troop levels in Afghanistan.
    “The fact is we already have men and women over there, and the longer we delay in sending them the needed resources they need the greater danger they are in,” McCain said during an interview on Fox News’ Fox & Friends program. “That’s just a fundamental fact of warfare and so I’m past being a bit angry.”
    [...]
    … the rest in POLITICO @
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29185.html

  91. 11/5/2009Black Lion says:

    siseduermapierda says:
    November 5, 2009 at 2:18 pm
    Kevin J says:
    November 5, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Why don’t you google ” Arizona State Economist US wealth”?

    Michelle Bachmann tells Hannity a very big fat hairy lie. She says that the House bill on p. 92 says that after 5 years, no one can buy private health insurance, they have to buy the public option. Baloney, what it says on p. 92 is that after 5 years, any employer-sponsored plan must meet the same requirements as apply to the health plans that are available in the group of choices that compare to the public plan. She said forcing people to buy the public option is driving everyone to “Single-payer”. That is also a fat lie. The Public Option is not Single Payer. Lies, Dissembling, Silliness. By the way, how many people showed up to her little flash mob on the Capitol steps today?
    __________________________________________________________________

    Bachmann is a tool and likes to tell untruths. She makes ridiculous statements without any facts whatsoever….I wonder if she even got 1000 people to show up to her “protest” today…She is a slightly more lucid Orly…

    http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/media-conspiracy-to-black-out-bachmann-and-tea-partiers-continues/

    As a matter of fact here are some of Ms. Bachmann’s more outrageous statements…

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/personalities/michele-bachmann/statements/

    And a list of her craziness…

    http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/

    “A conservative Republican House member, speaking on the condition of anonymity, suggested that Bachmann’s views — and her willingness to state them — make it hard for her to keep staff. “When your captain’s crazy, it’s time to find a new ship,” the lawmaker said.”

  92. 11/5/2009misanthropicus says:

    RE siseduermapierda:

    [...] It’s a real stretch to try to say local politicians are an indication of anything going on in DC. [...]

    Siserda, wrong as usual : the correct description of the situations is – It’s a real stretch to say that Obama’s & his liberal enablers’ politicking is an indication of their understanding of anything going on in this country.

  93. 11/5/2009Black Lion says:

    Also regarding the healthcare debate, the President’s plan got an endorsement from a couple of high profile associations…

    “With a vote set for Saturday, momentum gathered behind the sweeping legislation to remake the U.S. health care system and extend coverage to millions of the uninsured. The American Medical Association and the powerful seniors’ lobby AARP both threw their weight behind the bill Thursday. AARP, with its 40 million members, promised to run ads and contact activists to gin up support.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

  94. 11/5/2009Geir (Gerhardt) Smith says:

    No Attila u don’t got it
    it’s 666 777 9
    obama’s the antichrist
    i’ll not say a word more
    Obama just took ten hours to fold
    attila published this on his steadydrip
    but i pikced it up on google news
    we’ve won ! orly and lou dobbs are avenged !
    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/11/05/top-contender-for-ga-governor-wants-to-see-proof-of-obama-birth/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog

    Top contender for Ga. governor wants to see proof of Obama birth

    2:59 pm November 5, 2009, by Jay

    Nathan Deal, the U.S. congressman from Gainesville and one of the leading GOP candidates for governor, wants to see Barack Obama’s birth certificate. (H/T Political Insider.)

    In an online chat this morning, Tom Crawford of Capitol Impact, one of the most respected reporters at the state Capitol, asked Deal whether he believes Obama is legally eligible to serve as president. Deal replied:

    “I am joining several of my colleagues in the House in writing a letter to the President asking that he release a copy of his birth certificate so we can have an answer to this question.”

    Back in July, Deal was asked a similar question by Mike Stark of the liberal Firedoglake blog. The exchange outside the U.S. Capitol was caught on a Youtube video. (Deal is at :45 and at 1:20 on the video.)

    In the video, Deal is asked whether opponents need some basis in fact or reality to suggest Obama is not a legitimate president. Deal responds:

    “You know, the best way to do that, I think, is to produce the birth certificate and let that be the end of it. I don`t think that`s been done yet.

    In today’s online chat, Deal also enlisted in the 10th Amendment movement, promising that if elected governor he would “reassert the role of states rights” and “reclaim the rights that are reserved to our state” under the U.S. Constitution.

  95. 11/5/2009Observer says:

    Also regarding the healthcare debate, the President’s plan got an endorsement from a couple of high profile associations…

    Only if you get your info from the soundbite horns. The AMA is non-representative of physicians in general. And AARP is an offshoot of a teachers union retirement program.

  96. 11/5/2009siseduermapierda says:

    AARP = 40 million members.
    AMA = 245,000 members, 20% of all physicians.

    Significant Endorsements.

  97. 11/5/2009misanthropicus says:

    “[...] After having Hussein removed in Iraq, the Americans hastened to instaurate Hussein in their own country – illegitimate and of a religious persuasion hostile to most of America’s inhabitants, the cunning Hussein proved to be a Trojan Horse that cruelly amplified that realm’s plunge in discontent and strife [...]” (Incrementis atque Decrementis Americana, Book xii, ch. 14 (Fall Of America), pp. 237).
    —————–*——————
    Fort Hood event notwithstanding, we still haven’t got an answer to the questions:
    * Is Hussein Obama a legitimate US president?
    * Is Hussein Obama a secret Muslim?

    And now an older take on this:

    “Obama: Muslim Call To Prayer “One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth”
    Is America soon to have a Muslim President?/Nicholas Kristof/New York Times:

    Mr. Obama would bring to the White House an important experience that most other candidates lack: he has actually lived abroad. He spent four years as a child in Indonesia and attended schools in the Indonesian language, which he still speaks.
    “I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, http://www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.
    Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
    Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. [...]
    ———–*————–
    And, what was the prayer Obama recited? Death by a Thousand Papercuts says this is it:

    “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… ”

    Fort Hood soldiers, RIP -

    http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-muslim-call-to-prayer-one-of.html

  98. 11/5/2009siseduermapierda says:

    The American Cancer Society endorses the House Health Care Bill.

    Consumer Union, publishers of Consumer Reports, endorses the House Health Care Bill.

  99. 11/5/2009Observer says:

    AARP = 40 million members.
    AMA = 245,000 members, 20% of all physicians.

    Membership didn’t do the endorsing … demonstrated by the continuing cancellations of memberships …. as well as the outspoken complaints by majority of physicians. And something like 45% will reportedly leave their profession if this horror of a monstrosity goes through – again … “healthcare” that is established to pay for deliberately killing human life is not (and won’t be) too appetizing to doctors … nor to the elderly would be victims. But if you want to donate to either I’m sure they’ll be happy to take your money … even with all the promises of filthy lucre made to them by the current regime.

  100. 11/5/2009The Right Side of Life » Grassroots to DC: Can You Hear Us Now? says:

    [...] Rep. Michelle Bachmann’s (R-MN) put out a call (my link) for a short-notice meet-up today at the Capitol (no, not those protesters that showed up earlier [...]

  101. 11/6/2009Sharon 2 says:

    Advocates for cancer patients decry waiting period; budget for high-risk pool seen as low

    “If you are a cancer patient and have cancer now, you can’t wait six months to go into a plan because your condition can go from bad to death,” said Stephen Finan, a policy expert with the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network. He called the waiting period in the Senate bill “unacceptable.”

    [Maybe an organization should consider what it endorses.]

    http://www.wtvr.com/sns-ap-us-health-care-uninsurables,0,7314995.story

    I think cancer qualifies as a pre-existing condition. Read the article: the bill could lead to rationing of treatment.

  102. 11/6/2009Geir (Gerhardt) Smith says:

    They’re wrangling about Donofrio’s ideas but the general public is getting a strong message Obama MUST SHOW HIS BC.

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=4211#more-4211

    GOP Gov. Candidate in GA to ask Obama for BC

    “The fact that Tom Crawford uses the term native-born American citizen instead of natural born American citizen is indicative for the game that is being played here. Patriots please be not be fooled, Republican Party is just playing along with the usurper. We have to be awaken to the fact we are dealing with only one party, the Demopublican Party.

    Thanks John Charlton for pointing it out.

    However, it must be noted that Crawford used the same technique as Obama supporters have done for nearly 14 months; that is, he used a question which presupposes another set of laws, which are not applicable. He asked about “native-born” citizenship, which is a more encompassing category than “natural born” citizenship. Only the latter is sufficient, with the requirements of age and residency established in Article II, Section i, paragraph 5, of the U.S. Constitution, to lawfully hold the office of President of the United States.

    - David Crockett

    The Post & Email pubished

    TO JOIN WITH SEVERAL U.S. HOUSE MEMBERS TO RESOLVE ISSUE
    by John Charlton

    (Nov. 6, 2009) — Yesterday morning, in an online chat conducted by his campaign, Republican Gubernatorial candidate, Nathan Deal (R-GA) announced that he would seek a copy of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate from Obama himself.

    Tom Crawford of the Georgia Report asked:

    Do you believe that Barack Obama is a native-born American citizen who is eligible to serve as president? I am asking because your comments on this issue have been a little ambiguous. I would appreciate your clearing this up.

    To which Deal replied:

    I am joining several of my colleagues in the House in writing a letter to the President asking that he release a copy of his birth certificate so we can have an answer to this question.

    Evidently Deal has more interest in the facts that Federal Judge Clay D. Land of Columbus, Georgia, who dismissed with great rancor, the case Rhodes vs. Mac Donald, which was in part predicated on discovering the evidence of Obama’s birth narrative.

    Talking Points Memo is reporting that Deal’s campaign manager confirmed the authenticity of the conversation and the gubernatorial candidate’s firmness of intention:

    Deal’s campaign spokesman Harris Blackwood confirmed the authenticity of the chat to TPM, explaining the Congressman’s comment: “There have been so many constituents, a lot of people have asked him, they ask him on the campaign trail. Let’s just get an answer, that’s all we’re saying, not suggesting anything to the contrary.”

    However, it must be noted that Crawford used the same technique as Obama supporters have done for nearly 14 months; that is, he used a question which presupposes another set of laws, which are not applicable. He asked about “native-born” citizenship, which is a more encompassing category than “natural born” citizenship. Only the latter is sufficient, with the requirements of age and residency established in Article II, Section i, paragraph 5, of the U.S. Constitution, to lawfully hold the office of President of the United States.

    According to the only definition of “natural born citizen” endorsed by the U.S. Supreme Court, Obama does not qualify, if his father was in fact Barrack Hussein Obama, Senior, a british subject at the time of Obama’s alleged birth, Aug. 4, 1961.

    Indeed, Attorney Leo Donofrio has for months publically speculated at his blog (naturalborncitizend.wordpress.com) that the emphasis upon the birth certificate has been fostered by the Media for the purpose of quashing doubts in Obama’s eligibility once he proves he was born in Hawaii; when the real issue in law is his father’s foreign nationality. It remains to be seen, whether U.S. Representative Deal wants merely the controversy to go away, or has genuine interest at last admitting that Obama birth story, as publicizes, does not qualify constitutionally for the office of President of the United States of America.”

  103. 01/27/2010Glacialhills says:

    Sise,You said to me way back in the start of this thread that no one ever promised health care negotiations would be televised? I just had to pop back in here and give you this link to Obama in his own words SAYING OVER and OVER while campaigning how he will show the health care debates and negotiations on C-SPAN. No back room deals in the dark of night(guess Fridays and Saturdays dont count or maybe he ment as long as they keep the lights on those deals are ok?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1PIWWgDG1k

    So will you actually admit to being wrong about something for once? Ha, I wont wait for it.

    Oh, and the health bill is at over 3000 pages and still no final bill to read yet…hopefully now we never will see a “final” bill just a finish to it altogether Thank Goodness.