Certifigate: HI DoH Stalls on Legitimate Records Request
First, attorney Leo Donofrio reported that he and “TerriK” are working on finding the basis for how Hawaii Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino could proclaim that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen (here’s a current follow up as of 9/29). I then followed up with Mr. John Carlton’s Post & Email coverage of a second potential threat of litigation against the DoH. This was followed by a press admission that there is no long form birth certificate as well as my theory that Dr. Fukino could be basing her proclamation on an already-public document, the DNC eligibility certification and nomination paper that was transmitted to Hawaii.
And now The Right Side of Life can reveal that another concerned citizen has claimed to issue a legitimate records request regarding a search on their genealogical past with the President.
This citizen, whom I’ll call “SueB,” has now awaited more than 6 months to hear any sort of reply — even a conclusive rejection — from the HI DoH. Here is a general overview of what has transpired with their story:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html states that certified copies of vital records are issued only to someone who “has a direct and tangible interest in the record.” The DOH considers that “a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin)” has such an interest.
Obama and I share common ancestors several generations back, thus are distant cousins. The web site does not state how close the relationship must be, nor does it give a limitation, for instance, that the common ancestor must be within x generations.
A genealogist compiled Obama’s genealogy and uploaded it to the internet. http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.htmlUpon reviewing that genealogy, I noted that we had common ancestors in the 1600’s. I expected that the DOH might ask more specifics about our common ancestors and then determine I did not have a “tangible” interest in the record, but decided to try anyway, to see what would happen.
The links to applications for certificates are here: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
…In the space for “Relationship of requestor to person named on certificate” I put cousin. For “Reason for this request” I put “family genealogy,” I believe. I included a money order for $50 for the 5 certificates ($10 each). The applications were sent in mid-Feb. 2009.
When I did not receive any response by July, I sent an email to the vital records dept. They forwarded my email to “Issuance.” About 2 weeks later I did not have a response and emailed again. This time the reply was that my email and request had been forwarded to the chief of the office. Over a month later I still do not have a response.
Here was “SueB’s” initial email response to the Department:
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:50:36 -0400
To: vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov
From: ["SueB"]
Subject: copies of vital recordsIn mid-February I sent off a request for vital records for genealogical purposes, with a money order for $50, for the following persons:
Stanley Armour Dunham, death cert.
Stanley Ann Dunham, death cert.
Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, marriage cert.
Barack Obama, Jr., birth cert.
Maya Soetoro, birth cert.
I am preparing a family history book for my immediate family, and including a section on our connections to historical persons. The Dunhams and our family have common ancestors. Following the standards of genealogical documentation, I want to confirm the connections, rather than accept someone’s “say-so” that could be inaccurate.To date I have not received any acknowledgment of my requests nor other communication, nor have I received the certificates. It has been over five months, and although I understand that genealogical requests have lowest priority, this long wait seems excessive. I have requested certificates from other states, and have never had to wait this long. Even requests to the National Archives have taken only 2-3 months to receive the requested records.
I would like to know when I can expect to receive these certificates.
Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
["SueB"] [emphasis mine]
It is interesting to note — via my emboldened verbiage — that “SueB” had not had to wait nearly as long from other States and that even the National Archives produced a very timely response to her request. Rather, as they had mentioned, above, the following email is the only official correspondence received regarding this issue:
X-Envelope-From: vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov
From: “vr-info”
To: ["SueB"]
Subject: Re: Fw: copies of vital records
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:21:59 -1000Hi Sue,
I have forwarded your email and request to the chief of our office.
Aloha,
kd
Accordingly, “SueB” mentioned that they intend to follow up with the State of Hawaii with US Mail and will continue contacting the State until they either get the requested information, receive a rejection notice or a full refund of monies paid for copies of the information.
To date, this appears to be the first known case where someone with a legitimate claim regarding vital documentation of Mr. Obama is making such a request via the HI DoH. I will certainly be keeping in touch with “SueB” to see what follow up correspondence will produce.
See the following links regarding the eligibility saga:
- The background:
- The questions:
-Phil
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Mick says:
October 2, 2009 at 12:22 am
You are wrong. SR 511 is a non-binding resolution that has nothing to do with anyone other than John McCain. Call names all you want. You’re wrong.
Mick, the actual paragraph of that “2-parent rule” in Senate Resolution 511 reads the following: “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it”
That must mean that every Natural Born Citizen must be born to American Citizens, on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936!
After all, you’re argument is that they thought that it was neccessary, so they put it in. That must mean that they thought that being born on an American Military Base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 was also neccessary.
Does this mean that every single candinate but McCain must be a usurper who knew that they were not eligible for the Presidency? No other candinate was born on an American Military Base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936.
Uh, oh. According to that resolution, I’m not a Natural Born Citizen. My family has generally been here since before the revolutionary war. However, I was not born on an American Military Base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936. I must therefore be ineligible to run for President!
After all, if it wasn’t a requirement, they wouldn’t have put it in, according to you.
siseduermapierda says:
October 1, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Observer says:
October 1, 2009 at 8:31 pm
*to the point of not following their own laws, and blundering by talking too much.*
Not following their law? Talking too much? Howso? There is only index data in Dr Fukino’s statements. “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii” is index data. She states he is a natural born citizen because the commonly understood definition of that term is “Born here”.
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Hey Sisedo….whatever your name is…..why don’t you just sit back and relax and let it be a SURPRISE at what is going to happen….don’t get so worked up….BTW…..which is the FRAUD….natural born or natural-born…..do you know the difference????
Sue says:
October 1, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Ms. Smith,
“I see Leo’s research and the requests he will file as a way to force the Hawaiian officials to make public how they arrived at the FRAUD being a natural born citizen…..sit back and watch……you Obots are in for a rude awakening and it’s about time!!”
There are some really, really sharp and smart lawyers here:
http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1688
and they don’t agree with you regarding Donofrio’s “legal theories.” Guess what? They have been 100% accurate so far.
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Sue….Wipe the BS off your lips as Maxine would say!!! I don’t see any smart OBOTS here….especially if it is coming from your selective BS thinking while you believe we want to check out some OBOT biased website you post!!!! GET REAL!!
Also….you don’t want those records to come out so why are you getting so bent out of shape over Leo’s research and request if you truly believe it is a waste of time…..sit back and relax….enjoy the ride….wait and see….it will be fun…I know it is fun watching you OBOTS squirm…..just waiting for the other shoe to drop
LOL!!
siseduermapierda says:
October 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Mick says:
October 1, 2009 at 7:24 pm
*She co-sponsored Resolution 511, which said that 2 US citizen parents are required to produce a Natural Born Citizen.*
SR 511 doesn’t require anything of anyone. It recognizes that John McCain is a natural born citizen nothing more.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:16:./temp/~mdbsM32nOG::
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Wrong Obfuscator!
“Because he was born to AMERICAN CITIZENS (emphasis added), there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen. I recently asked Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, a former Federal judge, if he had any doubts in his mind. He did not. I ask unanimous consent that the relevant excerpt from the Judiciary Committee hearing where Secretary Chertoff testified be made a part of the record.”
Patrick Leahy, Resolution 511 hearings
Orly’s Surreply: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
[...] As I had been reporting, attorney Leo Donofrio has teamed up with “TerriK” in an investigation and potential lawsuit aimed at discovering upon what basis did Hawaii Department of Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino declare that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen. [...]
Gee, until you file a case, there is no opposition.
Gee, then why are they “opposed” to replying??
Apuzzo files Letter of Inquiry to Judge Simandle
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/
And I think we’ve just had the implied offer from Bob to find us a Yale law grad who’ll file an amicus brief on behalf of those eligibility cases’ clients with concerns re: their great leader! I mean he’s the one who’s suggested they’re certainly out there.
And it appears that the nuances of Hawaii law with its own repercussions for those officials who reveal more than they should (or even info they’ve no qualifications to pronounce upon) gets into the too complicated zone for siseduermapierda. Don’t bother this one with too many details outside of the sound bites.
Mick says:
October 1, 2009 at 7:12 pm
*They all know. *
When you think they all “know” and they all keep the secret, and you have no concrete evidence, what you believe might just be a conspiracy theory.
They’d simply use the “r” word against her and that wouldn’t do much good for her base now would it!
Refrigerator? Ravioli? Reggae?
Are we really that naive or are we just playing like it??
So in addition to the Clintons, every Yale law school graduate is in on the vast conspiracy to hide the actual law from the American people?
Observer says:
October 1, 2009 at 8:31 pm
*to the point of not following their own laws, and blundering by talking too much.*
Not following their law? Talking too much? Howso? There is only index data in Dr Fukino’s statements. “Barack Obama was born in Hawaii” is index data. She states he is a natural born citizen because the commonly understood definition of that term is “Born here”.
Hawaii has been consistent in its denial of access to such information; it isn’t about to release anything that it repeatedly has claimed is covered by privacy laws.
Then why did they? Consistent all right – to the point of not following their own laws, and blundering by talking too much. Then again, it’s Hawaii!
So why have no other Yale graduates spoken out?
Are we really that naive or are we just playing like it??
Birds of a feather!
Yet Mrs. Clinton ran against him in the democratic primary. Why did she not reveal this winning strategy then?
You don’t know by now? They’d simply use the “r” word against her and that wouldn’t do much good for her base now would it!
Mick says:
October 1, 2009 at 7:24 pm
*She co-sponsored Resolution 511, which said that 2 US citizen parents are required to produce a Natural Born Citizen.*
SR 511 doesn’t require anything of anyone. It recognizes that John McCain is a natural born citizen nothing more.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:16:./temp/~mdbsM32nOG::
I am Christian. Obama is either Christian or Muslim. Therefore we both believe that Adam is our common ancestor. The law seems pretty clear to me.
Hawaii Revised Statute §338-18 Disclosure of records.
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;
She co-sponsored Resolution 511, which said that 2 US citizen parents are required to produce a Natural Born Citizen.
Except S.R. 511 (which in not legally binding) said no such thing, as S.R. 511 applied to exactly one person: McCain.
They all know. They are all traitors to the US.
So the Clintons know that Obama is ineligible.
Yet Mrs. Clinton ran against him in the democratic primary. Why did she not reveal this winning strategy then?
Also: If the Clintons know Obama is ineligible, we can presume everyone who attended Yales knows (they’re all taught the same law, right?). So why have no other Yale graduates spoken out?
Bob says:
October 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm
as those of us who actually know the law and the fact that Obama is Constitutionally ineligible.
Does Clinton also know Obama is ineligible? Clinton graduated from Yale Law School; which law school did you graduate from?
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Of course she knows that Obama is ineligible. She co-sponsored Resolution 511, which said that 2 US citizen parents are required to produce a Natural Born Citizen. She certainly knew that Barack Obama 1 was a Kenyan Citizen.
Sue says:
October 1, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Ms. Smith,
“I see Leo’s research and the requests he will file as a way to force the Hawaiian officials to make public how they arrived at the FRAUD being a natural born citizen…..sit back and watch……you Obots are in for a rude awakening and it’s about time!!”
There are some really, really sharp and smart lawyers here:
http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1688
and they don’t agree with you regarding Donofrio’s “legal theories.” Guess what? They have been 100% accurate so far.
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They are all the usual Bridgetender Obfuscators for Comrade Obama, and Traitora to this counry. Leo is filing as we speak.
Bob says:
October 1, 2009 at 6:55 pm
If so, what’s a particular law school got to do with it?
It has been implied that people such as Linda know the law regarding eligibility, and that the Yale-educated Clintons don’t. If such people know something that the Clintons do not, why was this not taught at one the finest law schools in the country? What is the source of this education that surpasses even Yale?
Why go to the trouble if one can force the desired info solely on the opposition’s own blunders???
Hawaii has been consistent in its denial of access to such information; it isn’t about to release anything that it repeatedly has claimed is covered by privacy laws.
If Donofrio thinks he has a suit, then he should file it. Because otherwise it appears he’s just addicted to the attention.
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They all know. They are all traitors to the US. Leo is filing as we speak.
If so, what’s a particular law school got to do with it?
It has been implied that people such as Linda know the law regarding eligibility, and that the Yale-educated Clintons don’t. If such people know something that the Clintons do not, why was this not taught at one the finest law schools in the country? What is the source of this education that surpasses even Yale?
Why go to the trouble if one can force the desired info solely on the opposition’s own blunders???
Hawaii has been consistent in its denial of access to such information; it isn’t about to release anything that it repeatedly has claimed is covered by privacy laws.
If Donofrio thinks he has a suit, then he should file it. Because otherwise it appears he’s just addicted to the attention.
Paul says:
October 1, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Leo’s part III article is a must read, and will surely force some response form the Hawaii AG Mark Bennett.
I’m gonna guess that the AG’s response, if he chooses to respond, will be that the only vital records information that can be released to the public is the index data. Dr Fukino’s statement contained nothing but index data: name, sex, date. Other vital records are clearly protected by Hawaiian statute.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Leo doesn’t have a snowball’s chance. If he did, he’d spend his time getting a suit ready and filing it, not writing essays on his blog.
Observer says:
October 1, 2009 at 6:26 pm
*Why go to the trouble if one can force the desired info solely on the opposition’s own blunders???*
Leo can’t get anything more from Hawaii, suit or no. The only thing he can get is the index data, and we already have it.
Observer says:
October 1, 2009 at 6:26 pm
*Why go to the trouble if one can force the desired info solely on the opposition’s own blunders???*
Gee, until you file a case, there is no opposition.
Jacqlyn Smith says:
October 1, 2009 at 4:38 pm
*I see Leo’s research and the requests he will file as a way to force the Hawaiian officials to make public how they arrived at the FRAUD being a natural born citizen…..sit back and watch……you Obots are in for a rude awakening and it’s about time!!*
Hawaiian law is clear. The only vital records information that can be released without the requestor being eligible and able to prove they have a tangible interest as listed here:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
is the index data. It is clear what is in Hawaiian index data: the sex of the child, the name of the child, the date. Dr Fukino’s statement contained nothing but index data. She was able to conclude Barack Obama is a natural born citizen because “born here” is the generally accepted standard for presidential eligibility. No court is going to make a finding that is contrary to clear Hawaiian statutes. To think otherwise is a fantasy. In this case, as in every other, the law is not on your side Jacqlyn. Several judges have told you in their decisions that your remedy is not in the judicial branch, it’s in the legislative branch. If that’s not deciding on the merits, I don’t know what you think is. Deciding on the merits doesn’t mean hearing testimony and presenting evidence. It is very often that cases are decided purely on cross-motions. That doesn’t mean the decision doesn’t count or isn’t as good as a case that went all the way through trial proceedings. 38 cases have been denied or dismissed. Some all the way to the Supreme Court. Those decisions do count, whether you agree or not. Haven’t you noticed that with each case, the defense attorneys and the judges are citing decisions in birther cases in their motions and decisions? The case law is growing, and it’s not growing in a way that supports your side. I do believe it is you who is in for a rude awakening.
Gee, if Donofrio is so sure of himself, why doesn’t he file his lawsuit?
Why go to the trouble if one can force the desired info solely on the opposition’s own blunders???
Quite the opposite; the law is well known.
If so, what’s a particular law school got to do with it? Or are you a progressive elitist in your interpretations?
Was the law regarding this ineligibility something they were taught at Yale?
Well, hopefully, along with precedent cases for such re: Constitution.
But no matter … when considering any self anointed reader of the law, one must consider the source … and if he/she knows the law and then attempts to abuse it, he/she would be considered a terrible source no matter the educating facility. Such folks are quite often disbarred – again, no matter the educating facility – even Yale!!
Ms. Smith,
“I see Leo’s research and the requests he will file as a way to force the Hawaiian officials to make public how they arrived at the FRAUD being a natural born citizen…..sit back and watch……you Obots are in for a rude awakening and it’s about time!!”
There are some really, really sharp and smart lawyers here:
http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1688
and they don’t agree with you regarding Donofrio’s “legal theories.” Guess what? They have been 100% accurate so far.
Gee, if Donofrio is so sure of himself, why doesn’t he file his lawsuit? Stop yapping and start litigating.
Are you saying that the law is secreted from the public?
Quite the opposite; the law is well known.
And did you use the same qualification for Mr. Clinton to give him (and his wife for that matter) permission to lie?
So the Clintons are liars, as they know Obama is ineligible? Was the law regarding this ineligibility something they were taught at Yale?
siseduermapierda says:
October 1, 2009 at 11:10 am
Jacqlyn Smith says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:54 am
*you don’t want to see those records anyway…..you know it will be the end of your DemoCRAP party and this stool pigeon they got to try and fool unsuspecting citizens of the USA!!!*
I don’t care because I am completely satisfied that Barack Obama is eligible and qualified to be President. Jacqlyn, you follow this closely. You probably know the Hawaiian statutes as well as anyone. The only thing you’re ever going to see from Hawaii is the index data. You’ve already got it. Dr Fukino’s statements are based on nothing more than the index data: A male named Barack Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug 4, 1961. We already know that. If Leo is serious, he’ll get off his rump and file his two citizen/dual citizenship suit. He has to stipulate Stanley Dunham and Barack Sr were Obama’s parents to make the dual citizen/two parent argument, so there’s nothing else in the vital record that is needed to try to make the case Leo says he wants to make. Besides, dual citizen/ two parent already in Orly’s Keyes v. Obama suit and Mario’s Kerchner v. Obama suit. So if those cases get dismissed, how would a suit from Leo get anywhere.
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Just because you may be satisfied with a FRAUD for a POTUS doesn’t make it right…..some of us believe in the Constitution and the law is the law…..and NO one is above it….. as Nixon found out and I believe the FRAUD in our house will find out too!!!
It has been over a year now since the first lawsuit was filed….. not one of the cases have been heard or dismissed on its merits…..sooner or later one of these cases will break thorough and the sooner the better…..a true American citizen would only want to know the truth not deny people of the truth….I guess we know where you OBOTS stand on being true Americans!
BTW….You need to go back and read all of Leo’s research…you are not understanding it very well….he just posted #3 and there will be more to come….here are two important pieces told by the DOH…now public and we have a right to see them as concerned citizens….
- “…Obama was born in Hawaii…”
- “…Obama…is a natural-born American citizen…”
I see Leo’s research and the requests he will file as a way to force the Hawaiian officials to make public how they arrived at the FRAUD being a natural born citizen…..sit back and watch……you Obots are in for a rude awakening and it’s about time!!
Leo’s part III article is a must read, and will surely force some response form the Hawaii AG Mark Bennett.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/terrik-investigation-part-3-hawaii-ag-mark-bennett-approved-fukinos-natural-born-citizen-statement-all-records-should-be-made-public-according-to-law/#comments
On the genealogy request page:
“For vital records of events that occurred seventy-five years or less prior to the current year, the applicant must establish a direct and tangible interest in the records. ”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/genealogy.html
From the Hawaiian statute on disclosure of records:
“The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. ”
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Leo goes a lot further than your sound bites here. Once Hawaiian officials learn to obey their own laws and don’t put their left feet in it they then might be able to just live by your sound bites.
Sue:
The author of this article,
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/kenyan-ambassador-refuses-to-acknowledge-obama-sr-s-paternity/
makes several false and misleading statements.
Like what?
Bob says:
October 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm
as those of us who actually know the law and the fact that Obama is Constitutionally ineligible.
Does Clinton also know Obama is ineligible? Clinton graduated from Yale Law School; which law school did you graduate from?
Are you saying that the law is secreted from the public? And did you use the same qualification for Mr. Clinton to give him (and his wife for that matter) permission to lie?
as those of us who actually know the law and the fact that Obama is Constitutionally ineligible.
Does Clinton also know Obama is ineligible? Clinton graduated from Yale Law School; which law school did you graduate from?
siseduermapierda says: I don’t care because I am completely satisfied that Barack Obama is eligible and qualified to be President. Jacqlyn, you follow this closely.
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So what is your excuse for being here and following it as closely as those of us who actually know the law and the fact that Obama is Constitutionally ineligible.
Are you really a closet “birther” afraid to come out of the dark and admit it?
BTW, today, WND picked up my correspondence with Sen Johnson.
http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/constitutionallyspeaking-makes-it-into-world-net-daily-exclusive/
Sue says:
October 1, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Black Lion,
“Actually it will be Judge Nakazato. But yes we “Obots” are all waiting for the outcome of that case.”
Unless I missed something, I believe the hearing on Oct. 5 is before Judge Carter, DOJ Motion to Dismiss.
Sue, OK. I must have missed that. I thought at the end of the last hearing when Orly failed to have Judge Nakazato dismissed the hearing for dismissal would be heard by him. But either way I am looking forward to the outcome of that hearing.
I also cannot wait to see Orly’s response to Judge Land’s Show Cause Order and how Judge Land rules on this.
Agreed. That should be interesting also.
Black Lion,
“Actually it will be Judge Nakazato. But yes we “Obots” are all waiting for the outcome of that case.”
Unless I missed something, I believe the hearing on Oct. 5 is before Judge Carter, DOJ Motion to Dismiss.
I also cannot wait to see Orly’s response to Judge Land’s Show Cause Order and how Judge Land rules on this.
bob strauss says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:51 am
Obots galore on your site Phil. You can feel the fear and desperation in their writings.
If you mean by citing actual case laws and statutes on why Leo and Orly won’t be successful, then you would be correct. Really desperate. So called “Obots” are not the ones that have not won a case yet. I believe that the “birthers” are the ones that are still waiting for that one case to be successful. So if anyone is desperate, it is the birthers. Orly, Berg, Apuzzo, and Leo are still batting .000. As of October 1 Barack Obama is still the President. So what would the so called “Obots” have to be desperate about?
The eligibility of Obama to be POTUS is coming to the front and center of political conversation.
Of course it is. The American people are more worried about the less than 1% of the population that actually believes in this eligibility nonsense than they are about healthcare, the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, and the economy.
Can’t wait until Oct. 5 to see what Judge Carter will do.
Actually it will be Judge Nakazato. But yes we “Obots” are all waiting for the outcome of that case.
Jacqlyn Smith says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:54 am
*you don’t want to see those records anyway…..you know it will be the end of your DemoCRAP party and this stool pigeon they got to try and fool unsuspecting citizens of the USA!!!*
I don’t care because I am completely satisfied that Barack Obama is eligible and qualified to be President. Jacqlyn, you follow this closely. You probably know the Hawaiian statutes as well as anyone. The only thing you’re ever going to see from Hawaii is the index data. You’ve already got it. Dr Fukino’s statements are based on nothing more than the index data: A male named Barack Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug 4, 1961. We already know that. If Leo is serious, he’ll get off his rump and file his two citizen/dual citizenship suit. He has to stipulate Stanley Dunham and Barack Sr were Obama’s parents to make the dual citizen/two parent argument, so there’s nothing else in the vital record that is needed to try to make the case Leo says he wants to make. Besides, dual citizen/ two parent already in Orly’s Keyes v. Obama suit and Mario’s Kerchner v. Obama suit. So if those cases get dismissed, how would a suit from Leo get anywhere.
“Can’t wait until Oct. 5 to see what Judge Carter will do.”
I can’t wait either.
siseduermapierda says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:25 am
Jacqlyn Smith says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:14 am
*DUH….That’s exactly what he is doing with the help of many other bloggers….*
siseduermapierda says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:25 am
Jacqlyn Smith says:
October 1, 2009 at 9:14 am
*DUH….That’s exactly what he is doing with the help of many other bloggers….*
Tell me you don’t think Leo needs help of bloggers to proceed.Tell me you don’t think Leo needs help of bloggers to proceed. He can stipulate right now Obama was born in Hawaii and move on to his dual citizen/ two parent thing. But Leo probably knows the most he can get from a suit against Hawaii is the index data. And we already know what the index data says. It says a male named Barack Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug 4, 1961. We know that because the index data is public information and that’s what Dr Fukino confirmed in her statement without specifically saying “I am releasing the index data”. Leo probably already knows this. But if he can get Hawaii to re-release the index data, he can fool you folks into thinking he really won something and he, the great Leo Donofrio, has proven Obama was born in Hawaii. DUH, we already know it. He can stipulate right now Obama was born in Hawaii and move on to his dual citizen/ two parent thing. But Leo probably knows the most he can get from a suit against Hawaii is the index data. And we already know what the index data says. It says a male named Barack Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug 4, 1961. We know that because the index data is public information and that’s what Dr Fukino confirmed in her statement without specifically saying “I am releasing the index data”. Leo probably already knows this. But if he can get Hawaii to re-release the index data, he can fool you folks into thinking he really won something and he, the great Leo Donofrio, has proven Obama was born in Hawaii. DUH, we already know it.
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DUH….”Tell me you don’t think Leo needs help of bloggers to proceed.”….your spin….not mine…..just saying….if you had been reading all of his posts and information….you would know he decided to litigate on the information provided him by one of the commenters on his site who had been in communication with the DOH…..what are you OBOTS so concerned about…..you don’t want to see those records anyway…..you know it will be the end of your DemoCRAP party and this stool pigeon they got to try and fool unsuspecting citizens of the USA!!!
Obots galore on your site Phil. You can feel the fear and desperation in their writings. The eligibility of Obama to be POTUS is coming to the front and center of political conversation. Can’t wait until Oct. 5 to see what Judge Carter will do.