Camille Sees “Birther” Questions as Legit; Maxine Wants to Probe
Call it the battle between the intellectually honest liberal versus the hopelessly shameless socialist (who might end up helping the process anyway). Either way you cut it, the so-called “birthers” — the individuals who question this President’s eligibility to hold the office — continue to raise a ruckus among the political and talking class.
To briefly reminisce, it was back in July of this year when the press began to seriously probe the eligibility issue. Then, talk radio host Rush Limbaugh broached the subject a few times.
Now, Salon.com columnist and feminist Camille Paglia has for the second time chimed in on the issue (via WorldNetDaily):
Talking to the NPR program “On Point” this week, she provided a defense to the citizens who carried protest signs asking “Where’s The Birth Certificate” at the recent protests that drew hundreds of thousands to Washington.
The program discussion focused on the “civility” of the political attacks on both Obama and his critics. One caller to the program described his visit to Washington and the myriad signs questioning Obama’s eligibility to be in office.
“It was unbelievable. It was absolutely everywhere,” the caller stated.
Paglia responded:
First of all, I reject the idea that the ‘birther’ campaign is motivated by racism. There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sorry, I’ve been following this closely from the start. To assume that all those signs about the birth controversy were motivated by racism, that is simply wrong.
She continued, explaining she first came on the scene in the 1990s and has dealt with cries of sexism and homophobia, calling such battle cries “emotional” triggers.
Paglia said the fact there was little racism in the campaign against Obama is evidenced by the fact he “was elected by white people.”
Criticism of Obama, instead, is coming because of the “strategic failures he is making in pushing this very important issue of health care reform.”
David Weigel, writing in the WashingtonIndependent.com, thought Ms. Paglia’s comment was “compelling” — very much of a u-turn from his thoughts on my blog not too long ago.
Be careful, Camille; you’re wading dangerously close to “birther” territory!
Then we have commentary from Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), whose comments the AmericanPower blog boldly showcases:
Maxine Waters is reallly too much some times. See, “Waters: Probe ‘Birthers and the Teabaggers’ at Rallies for Racist Views.” Listen to her at the video:
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said that it’s not enough for African-Americans to levy allegations of racism against the right-leaning protesters, and that the media must look into their views.
“I want those people talked to; I want them interviewed,” Waters told the liberal Bill Press Radio show in a podcast. “I want journalists to be all over those rallies and the marches with the birthers and the teabaggers.”
“What I’m looking for is the very people who carry the signs who are referring to the policies in very, very strange ways like ‘Obamacare’ and ‘Bury Obamacare with Kennedy,’” she said. “What I’ve been interested in is hearing from those people that everybody’s referring to — everybody on the Mall, in the rally.”
See also, Gateway Pundit, “Maxine Waters: Media Should Probe the “Birthers & Teabaggers” at Rallies.”
Plus, from Voting Female, “Maxine Waters Calls All Tea Party Protesters Homosexuals in her Latest Attack on Free Speech: For Those Who Haven’t Figured It Out Yet …’Tea Bagger’ is a ‘Male Homosexual’“:
Way to Go, Maxine Waters, you Socialist Racist Anti-Constitution Anti-Homosexual Anti-White ASSHAT! Show the World just how much of a BIGOT YOU REALLY ARE!
Leave it to a MOONBAT TROLL Like Rep. Maxine Waters to denigrate freedom loving rightfully dissenting Americans by calling them all Homosexuals and attacking them as Homosexuals.
While we have all witnessed the likes of Janeane Garofalo and Keith Olbermann using such personal attacks on constitutionally protected Political Dissent, these two idiots are not members of Congress and loss of respect for you, Maxine Waters, by the Greater American Public, for a Congress Man or Woman to use these tactics and these Minority Pejoratives is a WHOLE OTHER KETTLE OF FISH.
For the Socialist DEM Political Party Office Holders in Congress, who pretends to defends the Homosexual Community, to use Extremely Offensive Slang Terms like Tea Bagger as an insult to Tea Party Protesters is equal to calling Tea Party Protesters, Red Neck NI*GERS.
The Only Difference between calling people Tea Baggers and calling people Nig*ers is which Minority Group’s Perjorative is used for personal attacking purposes on people.
More at Memeorandum. And Weasel Zippers, “Maxine Waters (D-Gestapo) Wants “Teabaggers” Interviewed to see if They’re Racists …“
While I am all for Rep. Waters’ call for the press to face the eligibility issue straight-on, she might want to watch out for the press doing some investigating on her own background (via a comment on TheHill.com):
Hey Maxine -- maybe you worry less about us exercising our right to free speech and more about your pending ethics investigation:”…a series of news reports earlier this year questioned (Water’s) role in the decision to provide $12 million in federal bailout funds to OneUnited Bank, where her husband, Sidney Williams, had served on the board and owned a minimum of $500,000 in stock in 2007.” [http://www.rollcall.com/news/38577-1.html?referrer=js]
In related news, after I had reported on the conjecture over whether or not the Plaintiffs in Barnett v. Obama had the opportunity to perform expedited discovery, it turns out that Judge Carter has granted the Defendent’s motion to stay discovery until after the upcoming October 5 hearing on dismissal.
See the following links regarding the eligibility saga:
- The background:
- The questions:
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But there is more.
The Chief Judge has made it pretty clear he’s putting the brakes on that train.
Yes, I saw that. But there is more.
Looks like the Gran Juries have bite
Did you read the part about if the filing is paid, it’ll immediately be dismissed for lack of jurisdiction?
If they want to give their money to the federal courts….
Looks like the Gran Juries have bite;
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qdiRGUu2vrk/SrkrZpmAvQI/AAAAAAAAAVM/RHo8b6FyqJQ/s1600-h/10SEPTLAMBERTHRULING.jpg
There is stuopid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid
dunstvangeet said: “And wow, MGB. You’re smart!”
Wow! Another statement with which I agree. Thank you for the compliment. I agree, I am smart. Wanna know my IQ? Bet you don’t.
syc1959 says:
President Obama is facing great challenges. Whether he is eligible to be President of the United States is not one of them.
The Muslim world is full of complexity and variety, just like the Christian world.
What do you think would be the effect on U.S. law if, for example, two thirds of the Justices on the Supreme Court were Roman Catholic? Would you look at Catholic doctrine and expect it be legislated from the bench? Would the Court have to defer to the Pope? Would it be a serious danger to the religious freedom of other groups? How frightened should non-Catholics be?
In the 1960 election, John F. Kennedy being Roman Catholic was a huge issue. People cited Catholic doctrine showing that if Kennedy were elected, the Vatican would run Washington. It was bigoted garbage, but they probably didn’t consider themselves bigots. Haven’t we learned anything? Now people throw the same trash at Obama for “Black Liberation Theology”, or they call him a Muslim in a smear of both Obama and our Muslim fellow citizens.
I recently got jumped on for insinuating bigotry. Thanks for the verification.
Syc,
First, right or wrong, it’s the law of the land. Second, I was quoting from the same case as you. Are you saying that the case that you cite to support a CGJ was wrongly decided? If so, why are you using that decision to support your claim?
brygenon
Disregarding the Gran Juries, Obama’s bigger issue is what the Islamic world thinks of him. They already shown how much the disrepect him.
In the Muslim world is is a sin to convert from Islam to Christianity. Such a sin it it that there are fatwa’s concerning this deviation from the Islamic religion.
A fatwā (Arabic: فتوى; plural fatāwā Arabic: فتاوى), in the Islamic faith is a religious opinion concerning Islamic law issued by an Islamic scholar. In Sunni Islam any fatwa is non-binding, whereas in Shia Islam it could be binding, depending on the status of the scholar. Western media frequently uses the term incorrectly to specifically mean an Islamic law pronouncing a death sentence upon someone who is considered an infidel or a blasphemer, whereas the term’s correct definition is significantly broader. Fatwā cover social and political issues and jihad. If a fatwā does not break new ground, then it is simply called a ruling.
So how does the Muslim/Islamic world deal with a former Muslim, who has stated that the Call to [Muslim] prayer “is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset”, that he was raised a Muslim, registered as a Muslim in Indonesia, studied the Koran [Quran], both father and step-father were Muslim’s. Therfore without any contention or debate, that in fact Barack Hussein Obama II was in fact a Muslim, that has turned against the Islamic religion, embraced Christianity in the Church of Reverand Jeremiah Wright and the teachings of Black Liberation Thelogy, which is in contrast of the teachings of the Koran [Quran].
Here is the fatwa, proof that death “is a very normal part of Islamic law for apostasy and for every muslim its an honor to CLEAN the umma if Rifqa is dead”.
Obama describes Al-Azhar University this way: “For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning, and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt’s advancement”.
Legal opinion on apostasy by a Fatwa committee concerning the case of a man who converted to Christianity: “Since he left the Islam, he will be invited to express his regret. If he does not regret, he will be killed pertaining to rights and obligations of the Islamic law.” Popis Source: Orientalist Author: al-Azhr, the Egyptian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs This Fatawa describes how an Egyptian man turned apostate and the subsequent punishment prescribed for him by the Al-Azhr Fatawa council. The following translation is a rough guide:
In the Name of Allah the Most Beneficient the Most Merciful.
Al-Azhr
Council of Fatawa.
This question was presented by Mr. Ahmed Darwish and brought forward by [name obscured] who is of German nationality.
A man whose religion was Islam and his nationality is Egyptian married a German Christian and the couple agreed that the husband would join the Christian faith and doctrine.
1) What is the Islamic ruling in relation to this man? What are the punishments prescribed for this act?
2) Are his children considered Muslim or Christian?
The Answer:
All praise is to Allah, the Lord of the Universe and salutations on the leader of the righteous, our master Muhammed, his family and all of his companions.
Thereafter:
This man has committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah.
As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed and Allah knows best.
Seal of Al-Azhr
Head of the Fatawa Council of Al-Azhr.
Abdullah al-Mishadd
23rd September 1978.
So how do the Islamis political and religious leaders deal with the “Apostate Obama”?
So, i wonder if this is why the Islamic leaders wouldn’t even shake his hand, or that he bowed to his ‘maters’ in a show that his really truely is still a Muslim.
dunstvangeet says:
That order being https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2009mc0346-2.
The AGJ/CJG followed with a motion for reconsideration, of which they were quite proud, to back Judge Lamberth into a corner so he would have to either grant their motion or admit that he rejects the Constitution. Judge Lamberth granted the motion, reversed his previous order, and granted leave to file their presentment. The docket order reads:
09/10/2009 4 ORDER granting 3 MOTION for Reconsideration re 2 Order of Court by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth denying leave to file presentments, by AMERICAN GRAND JURY. Petitioner’s motion for reconsideration is hereby granted and they are given leave to file their “presentments”, upon tendering the filing fee to the Clerk of the Court, however, should the fee be tendered the presentments will be dismissed as the petitioners lack standing to enforce the criminal laws of the United States. Signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth on 9/10/2009. (zkb, ) (Entered: 09/11/2009)
That’s not the example that will resonate with the citizen’s grand jury crowd. Maybe point out that under their rules, a black radical group could assemble grand juries and keep white elected officials in perpetual indictment.
syc1959 says:
Is there any actual evidence of obots harassing public officials?
On the flip side, Taitz’s cite is running angry letters that her fans say they are sending to Judge Land.
Just last week this site spread a false rumor that the Hew Hampshire Secretary of State Bill Gardner would be investigating Obama’s eligibility. Commenter Practical Kat soon debunked it with a story from the Concord Monitor that included:
So we’re clear on who harasses public officials, right?
1Lishell
So a courts OPINION has never been wrong?
And since when was the rights of citizens denied and found unConstitutional, by the courts.
“You Can Lead an Obot to Evidence but You Can’t Make Him Think”
There is stupid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid
syc, What you’re saying is the following:
1. Any group of people can get together, call themselves a “citizens grand jury” and issue subpoenas and compel evidence. Furthermore, they can issue indictments.
That’s the philosophy behind the Citizens Grand Juries that are popping up. There’s no requirement that they be a cross-section of the Population (as what grand juries called by the Government do). There’s no requirement that they put their biases aside and actually listen to evidence. There’s no requirement that they follow the rules of Evidence, and only consider admissible evidence (The Kenyan Birth Certificates are not self-authenticating, and how many listening to that evidence would be surprised to know that they rely upon the testimony of a convicted forger to say that they’re authentic). Did Swensonn and Taitz tell them that the rules of Evidence do not allow the Kenyan Birth Certificates to be assumed to be authentic? Did Swensonn and Taitz explain to them that just because people have the same name, does not mean that they’re using the same Social Security Numbers? Did Swensonn and Taitz call together a random cross-section of the population, or did they just ask for voluteers on their websites and know that the only volunteers that they’d get would be people that already think the President is Guilty of anything and everything. Did they explain to them that Treason is a very defined crime when they asked for an indictment of Treason? How did they prove that he provided Aide and Comfort to the Enemy during a time of war?
Now, taking your argument to the extreme, what’s to prevent the Ku Klux Klan from using this, calling together a group of their members, calling themselves a “citizens grand jury”, presenting “evidence” to themselves, and indicting every black man in the county, state, or even country for Murder, Treason, Rape, and every other crime that they can think of? Under your doctorine of the Citizens Grand Juries, there’d be no stopping the Ku Klux Klan from doing this.
I’m not saying that you’re the Ku Klux Klan. I’m not saying that you’re racists. However, I just want you to see how dangerous the thing that you’re proposing actually is.
Syc,
Actually, United States v. Williams stands directly opposed to your claim. “[T]he grand jury cannot compel the appearance of witnesses and the production of evidence, and must appeal to the court when such compulsion is required. And the court will refuse to lend its assistance when the compulsion the grand jury seeks would override rights accorded by the Constitution, or even testimonial privileges recognized by the common law.” United States v. Williams, 504 U.S. 36 (1992) (internal citations and footnotes omitted).
dunstvangeet says:
September 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm
*So, what you’re saying is that for him to believe, he should have ordered 300,000,000 copies of the birth certificate, and mailed a copy to every man, woman, and child in the United States? That would have only cost him around $3 billion dollars. *
Well, you could probably realize some efficiencies by sending 1 per household, which knocks it down to about 105 million copies, and the Hawaii Vital Records page says the first copy is $10 and each additional ordered at the same time is $4. So that gets you down to $400 million. Now that Obama is the President, the copies would be purchased from the Executive Branch budget, probably State Dept. Thank goodness Gates cancelled that fighter jet order, he can spring for the BC’s.
Certainly the Obama campaign posted a scanned image to reach a wide audience on the internet. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone imply there was any expectation the scan would be suitable as a legal document.
syc1959 says:
September 21, 2009 at 10:12 am
*I guess that is why the Obamabots are harassing Judge Land and Judge Carter.*
I don’t see any reason for anyone to be writing to these judges – Obot or NoBot. Silliness. These judges will make their rulings based on the law, not on the composition of their daily mail.
dunstvangeet
Sorry you must have me confused with the Democrat party, I never supported the Ku Klux Klan, who in fact was for segregation and slavery. Therefore your attempt to inject racism, only once again proves who are the Real racists in America. Obama supporters.
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/racism-in-america-its-real/
And wow, MGB. You’re smart!
So, what you’re saying is that for him to believe, he should have ordered 300,000,000 copies of the birth certificate, and mailed a copy to every man, woman, and child in the United States? That would have only cost him around $3 billion dollars. Under that case, absolutely no President has been eligible. I’ve been a eligible voter since 2000. I recieved no birth certificate from George W. Bush.
O
It’s kind of funny that you mention that. Wasn’t it Orly Taitz that was trying to get a picture of another birth certificate admitted into evidence?
MGB, do you really believe that if it came down to that, the Obam a people would be stupid enough to try to submit the picture, rather than the actual document that they showed Factcheck.org?
The fact is that they’d just walk in, submit that into evidence, and walk out with a ruling that he was born in Hawaii, and therefore is eligible for the Presidency. However, all these lawsuits have to get past the standing issue. The President has been successful to get each and every one of these lawsuits thrown out. I see nothing getting past there in the future either.
Syc, just name one court that has taken your citizen grand juries. Furthermore, has your citizen grand juries issued any subpoenas, and what were the results of those subpoenas?
As far as I can tell, the only filing by the Citizen Grand Juries was directly rejected by the court. And that ruling that I quoted and gave you gives you what the Federal Courts think of your Citizen Grand Juries.
If you think that it’s wrong, you’re welcome to appeal. But just as the Ku Klux Klan cannot get together 15 of it’s members and call itself a “Grand Jury” neither can any group just have the power of a grand jury.
I’m just wondering how those citizen grand juries have worked out.
dunstvangeet said, “Read the definition, not the title of the section.
A document bearing a seal purporting to be that of the United States, or of any State, district, Commonwealth, territory, or insular possession thereof, or the Panama Canal Zone, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or of a political subdivision, department, officer, or agency thereof, and a signature purporting to be an attestation or execution.
That’s the actual legally enforced option. Ask any lawyer about that, Pete.”
A DOCUMENT. NOT a PICTURE of a document.
siseduermapierda
I guess that is why the Obamabots are harassing Judge Land and Judge Carter.
http://theobamafollies.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/12/
Pete;
You are correct.
Our Founding Fathers gave We the People the Fourth Branch of Government, the Citizens Grand Jury, in Our Bill of Rights.
The Ninth Amendment, it is unequivocally stated that, “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
In the Tenth Amendment, it is clearly stated, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution…are reserved…to the people.”
Simply stated it means that Citizens can form Grand Juries with or without the consent of any branch of the Judiciary, Federal or State. Furthermore, it means that any and all Federal or State Rules or Laws of Criminal Procedure are unconstitutional to the extent that they limit the formation of Citizen Grand Juries to prior or post approval by any Branch of the Judiciary, Federal or State.
Furthermore, the Citizen Grand Juries can subpoena any and all of Barack Hussein Obama’s personal records held in any State or Federal Government Office or Department and said Office or Department is compelled by the Supreme Law of the Land, Our Constitution, to produce said records for said Grand Juries.
In United States vs. Williams (USSC 1992) Justice Scalia wrote, “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history…the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right.” In other words the power of the Grand Jury is assigned to We the People in order that we may obtain a “more perfect Union.”
Seen in its true, original context, the Eleventh Amendment clearly states that Citizens can form Federal or State Grand Juries without interference by the Federal Government.
There is stupid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid
I think it would be great for birthers to get a hearing.It would be an opportunity to get the legal logic out there on public record.More paper trail of those who believe that the Constitution has been usurped.I say go for it Maxine!
syc1959 says:
September 20, 2009 at 11:48 pm
- Anyway in every way. Just like Obot’s, bombard them till they have NO where to run. -
Harassing Judge Land and Judge Carter will not be helpful.
brygenon
I have proven and documented the forgeries. Recieved e-mails and confirmation from the State of Hawaii.
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/138/
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/obama-supporter-responds/
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/obamas-lawyers-caught-in-lies/
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/292/
You might be able to pass you BS off to the uninformed.
There is stupid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid
>>>Syc1959
want to draw your attention to a law review article, CREIGHTON LAW REVIEW, Vol. 33, No. 4 1999-2000, 821, IF IT’S NOT A RUNAWAY, IT’S NOT A REAL GRAND JURY by Roger Roots, J.D.<<<
Someone is quoting the Creighton law review, I knew I came to this blog for a good reason. Go Bluejays.
Pete
1. Dr. Ronald Polarik isn’t actually his name. His real name is Dr. Ron Polland. As far as his credentials, he’s about as much of an expert in Document Examining as I am. That’s not saying much. He doesn’t have one certification in Image Analysis. He doesn’t have one certification in Computer Forensics. He would not stand up to the Daubert Test.
As far as Lines, you might be getting to a real expert. However, Lines actually said that she couldn’t verify whether it was authentic or not. She never called it a forgery. She just said that she couldn’t verify it without access to the original document.
If you feel that I’m misrepresenting her, please link me to her actual statement.
As far as you…
What is your academic background? Do you have a degree in Computer Science? Do you have any expertise in image analysis? How many papers have you written, and what publications have you had them published on? What were the topics of those papers?
These are just a few of the questions that they’ll ask you to establish your expertise. I suggest that you be ready to answer them in a court of law. That’ll determine whether or not you are qualified by the court to be an expert witness.
I had asked you to name one expert that will testify to this. You have yet to name one. Ron Polarik isn’t an expert, and neither is TechDude. Lines has never signed an affidavit that the images are fake. She just said that she couldn’t authenticate the image without access to the original.
2. Here are the images from FactCheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
Which ones are from the first one (seal) and which ones are from the second one (no seal).
syc1959 says:
The forgery theories are just comic at this point. The department of the Hawaiian government that issues authentic certifications of live birth verifies that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii [ http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf ], but Obama forged Hawaiian certifications of live birth to say he was born in Hawaii. Say what?
That’s like printing counterfeit $100 bills on real $100 bills.
The stamp is on opposite side, and the seal is in relief. Sandra Ramsey Lines’ statement was that she couldn’t definitively tell — just from the scanned image — whether the document was authentic. The other two examiners named are incompetent, and are so dishonest that if their claims indicate anything it’s the opposite of what they assert.
Those claiming it’s not the right seal are simply professing an expertise they do not possess. And no, Fact-Check does not report multiple COLB’s…
The Fact-Check images were not from the Obama campaign. Fact-Check’s own staffers showed up at Obama’s campaign headquarters; they examined the actual document and took their own photographs.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
The Fact-Check article clearly has “the original birth certificate” in the singular; they examined just one document. I suppose it’s possible that Obama’s staffers could somehow have switched a documents with a seal for ones without by some subterfuge, but the theory makes no sense.
What’s left but an absolutely ludicrous conspiracy theory? The conspiracy would have to be vastly powerful, widely extensive, brilliantly executed, yet utterly incompetent.
As someone I know will state, working before judges, I can tell you, that they regard themselves above the law, able to interpret and when proven wrong, will honker down and lie.
The issue is getting the word out, and that IS happening. Anyway in every way. Just like Obot’s, bombard them till they have NO where to run.
So refusing to except the common sense and evidence is nothing new.
Just like being in forest fairies, bigfoot, UFO’s and Obama.
The truth will come out, you can attempt to prevert it all you want.
When Obama is removed. Where will the plane be flying too… Indonesia, Kenya….or where?
People are already getting buyers remorse over him. Not to mention all his BS over Health care, the bail outs, his lying before Congress and the American public. Now wanting to give amnesty to illegals to cover them for health care.
Yes, Obama is less time then anyone could have hoped for is loosing his support.
Then you, like a whole host of others will have their meal ticket gone!
There is stupid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid
syc, the ruling that I pointed you to were directly on your “Citizen Grand Juries” thing. The courts have already ruled that they have no legal significance and have no force of law. The quote I gave you was what a FEDERAL Judge directly said about your citizen grand jury.
Just as I wouldn’t expect the justice system to entertain an “indictment” from any 15 guys who want to call themselves a grand jury, the justice system did not entertain an indictment from your group.
Now, I know that this example may be a little extreme, but legally, it’s no different from what you are doing with the Federal Grand Juries. However, let’s say the Ku Klux Klan decided to get together a bunch of White Supremists, and present “evidence” to them that every Black Man in America had committed treason. Would you expect the courts to have to entertain their motions against every black man in America, just because they got 15 or 20 guys together and said, “We’re a citizen grand jury.”
I’m not calling you the Ku Klux Klan. I’m not saying that you’re racists. However, legally it’s no different than that. You got together a bunch of people who already had a predetermined view of the evidence. You presented them with a very one-sided case, often actually showing them inadmissible pieces of evidence. You then give them a pre-formatted document charging the President with everything under the sun with flimsy evidence (such as the so-called evidence of 150 different Social Security Numbers, and the like. I bet if you ran my name through a National Social Security Database, it would come out with a couple thousand different people with my name, including a few in my town. Does that mean that I fraudently used every single one of those social security numbers?). You feed them a bunch of misinterpretations of court rulings (especially since you’re introducing stuff such as the Indonesian Adoption, despite that having absolutely no relevance to whether or not he’s a Natural Born Citizen).
How, legally, is that different from getting together a bunch of people who already are predisposed to find Obama Guilty, and then hand them a pre-fabricated indictment for them to just sign off on? Do you realize how one group could use this “citizens grand jury” to totally logjam the Justice System if the courts were required to accept it from any group.
The ruling that I linked you to is directly against every single one of your grand juries. They’ve already been thrown out of the court of law, and have no legal weight.
Mind showing me the Court’s ruling that said that that ruling was wrong?