Eligibility Update: Cook v. Simtech, Swensson v. Soetoro, Certificate Numbering, Hannity Investigative Reporting
In Dr. Orly Taitz’ case, Cook v. Simtech, Judge Richard Lazzara issued the following order in the case where Major Stefan Cook sought a temporary restraining order on his now-rescinded orders to go to Afghanistan contingent upon a confirmation of President Obama’s eligibility:
Unfortunately, similarly to what Judge James Robertson remarked about “twittered” vetting, I found the following from this Judge equally as appalling:
Plaintiff’s first attempt to involve a federal district court in this ongoing conspiracy theory that President Obama is unqualified to be President of the United States of America because he is not a native-born citizen was rebuffed just eleven days ago by United States District Judge Clay D. Land of the Middle District of Georgia based on lack of standing. …
First of all, we’re not talking about “native-born” cititzenship (I do believe this was the term that Major Cook used in his case); we’re talking about “natural born” citizenship, and even that with respect to Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution. I think we can all admit that the Judiciary hasn’t exhaustively nailed that definition down yet.
Secondly, what in the world is the Judge doing calling what is otherwise a legitimate question of eligibility a “conspiracy theory?” Does the Judge not know that a true conspiracy theory is one that cannot be proven? On the face of it, it appears to me like the Judge prejudged (prejudiced) the case solely by his irrelevant allegation within the Order.
In the future, it would be nice if judges could simply stick strictly to the law, administer their orders without editorializing, and be done with it.
WorldNetDaily reported further:
“There was no reasoning, no nothing,” said Maj. Cook, who noted previous legal decisions in his case included three or four pages of legal explanations.
“It’s ridiculous. They’re not even saying why it’s frivolous and without merit. You can say that to anything with no justification or reason. That’s crap. So much for jurisprudence in this country.” …
WND asked the Lazzara’s office about why there was no explanation in the judge’s “endorsed order,” and Sandra Hartman, Lazzara’s judicial assistant said, “That’s standard procedure if a judge wants to use it.”
She also indicated, “There’s nothing sealed in this case. It’s a public record.” …
“I don’t have another job yet,” said Cook. “I’m working on trying to find something. I have a very broad but deep background in a variety of subjects and I have built my experience that way just in the event of some catastrophic experience like this.”
He also said his legal fight was for “the greater good of the country.”
“I might get crushed in the wheels, in the gears of the Chicago machine, but if it’s for the greater good and if we can gain some kind of definitive ruling or clarity on eligibility, then that’s OK.” …
With so many rumors swirling around the blogosphere as to the context of Major Cook’s timing for filing his suit, he made the following statements to substantiate his position:
Cook also wants to clear up confusion among some who suggest he had some sort of ulterior motive to “set up” the government by volunteering for duty and then filing legal action.
An article in Stars and Stripes noted, “the Army reservist’s intention appeared not so much to fight for America as to fight against President Barack Obama, in furtherance of a bizarre conspiracy theory.”
The Florida resident tells WND he originally volunteered for duty in Afghanistan last October, before the presidential election ever took place. He was responding to a “help wanted” ad placed by the military.
But a potentially serious health threat known as a pancreatic neoplasm put his plans in jeopardy, and he asked officials in December to stop the deployment process due to his condition.
“I actually had [deployment] orders, then got a positive diagnosis,” Cook said, explaining he still wanted to go overseas after a recovery time of about six months.
Cook underwent surgery in January of this year, but doctors were not successful in removing the tumor on his pancreas.
By February, the soldier says he had seen Internet traffic that raised questions about the legitimacy of Obama to serve as president, and he contacted attorney Taitz to sign on as a secondary plaintiff in her California litigation. He stresses he did not seek to be a primary litigant.
Despite still having the tumor, Cook was making good medical progress, and continued his effort to get deployed in Afghanistan.
“I wouldn’t have even thought about putting in for orders unless I had thumbs up,” he noted.
In May, he got the medical green light, and by early June, was given the order to go to Afghanistan.
“I was doing my pre-combat checks, getting my personal affairs in order, doing my training, preparing my self to go to Afghanistan and then maybe about two weeks or 10 days out from report date, I started thinking about the whole legality thing and lawfulness of orders. And that is the time when I contacted Orly and said we need to file [in Georgia where I was based] because of this. This was early July.”
Cook maintains that even to this day, he’s ready and willing to be deployed “in a heartbeat.”
“This is what I do. This is what I trained for the past 21 [expletive] years,” he emphasized. “If I have the opportunity to deploy tomorrow to Afghanistan, I wouldn’t even think twice about it if the guy sitting in the White House issuing orders was certified as legitimate, [issuing] a lawful order. I ‘d be on the next C-17 across the pond.”
The opposition would do well to consider the truth behind a particular individual’s situation before going off on a quest to devalue, besmirch or otherwise assassinate the character of someone who questions this President’s eligibility.
In related news, concerned citizens have been relaying to me that Carl Swensson, Georgia citizen grand jury foreman and eligibility activist, has filed in the US District Court for DC the case, Swensson v. Soetoro:
Another lawsuit just filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, DC, Swensson vs. Soetoro, charges Obama with document fraud for posting a fake “birth certificate” on his website.
I’ll be on the look-out for the documentation on this case.
According to the following entry at Dr. Taitz’ site, it is conceivable that the birth certificate numbers on Mr. Obama’s alleged HI COLB may not be as solid as originally thought:
Dear Orly,
Attached are the Obama alleged “Certification of Live Birth” (COLB) as published by FactCheck.org showing the number of the COLB to be: 151 1961-010641 with Date of Birth Aug. 4, 1961. The very next day, Aug. 5, 1961, Susan Elizabeth Nordyke, one of a twin, was born at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu. Attached is her long form Hawaiian Birth Certificate, yet her certificate number is 151 61 10637 - a number lower than Obama’s number yet for a child born a day later. Also notice that the truncated numbers “61″ were used in the long form Nordyke birth certificate for the year, not, “1961″ and also the leading “0″ in the last part of the section of numbers is omitted in the Nordyke birth certificate. Also, on the long form, a doctor signs and attests to the following: “”I hereby certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated above,” none of which appears on the short form COLB. Is it possible that another child was originally issued the number 151 1961-010641 which was then used by Obama? Janice Okubo, Dir. of Communications for the Hawaii Health Department has stated that she does not know what the Obama alleged COLB first appearing on the Daily Kos website appears to be.
The Kenyan Certificate look convincing! Keep up the great work!
Best regards,
name redacted
attorney [emphases original]
Since the numbers appear to have been issued within 48 hours of each other, and while other factors could reasonably explain why certain digits were left out, the question becomes whether or not the numbers are arbitrarily generated or if there is a sequence protocol that is used.
And lastly, for your viewing pleasure, I’ve had forwarded to me the following YouTube videos from Sean Hannity’s Hannity’s America show that are said to have been edited from the broadcast. The account under which the videos are found dates back to late 2008; nevertheless, old news remains true to this day:
See the following links regarding the eligibility saga:
- Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know
- Obama’s Sealed Background Documentation
- What’s the Difference Between a Birth Certification Versus a Birth Certificate?
- Keyes v. Lingle: Forensic Examiner and IT Expert Disprove Certification of Live Birth
- Obama Citizenship Facts
- The State Department and Sen. Patrick Leahy’s (D-VT) Natural Born Citizen Resolution (April 10, 2008)
- Citizen Grand Jury Updates and Eligibility Lawsuit Listing
-Phil
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45 responses to Eligibility Update: Cook v. Simtech, Swensson v. Soetoro, Certificate Numbering, Hannity Investigative Reporting
Phil,
You did us all proud on the Reality Check Blog Radio show on August 11, 2009. I would suggest that you make the link available on your blog for a while so all can get a chance to hear it.
I have the greatest respect for MAJ Cook and pray that God will bless him.
Judge Clay D. Land is a complete incompetent, ignorant fool just like all of our Congressmen. I used to have a great respect for the justice system – not any more…
It is frightening now that we now have an openly racist judge on the “supreme” Court that would never agree to hear anying against the Messiah Usurper.
I hope that Sotomayor would have to recuse herself in any lawsuits regarding Obama.
Phil,
Just curious…
Are there any other lawsuits out there that you know of that maintain Obama is not a natural-born citizen according to the constitutional definition adopted by the Founders at the constitutional convention? Or are all of them still trying to win the birth certificate angle? Do you think the BC road will lead to anywhere, or will these cases continue to be dismissed on judicial policy and precedent instead of the merits?
Do you think the natural law/Vattel/constitutional angle could be more successful if filed competently?
For example – could a case be heard and won based on the type of argument made in this article:
Barack Hussein Obama: Presidential Usurper
Or are we simply doomed to be eternally ridiculed and shunned by our judiciary?
Note that the ruling from the judge you’ve posted (Cook v. Simtech et al) is from last month (though I agree that the judge’s position is poor in that he seems to have made up his mind in advance). The story from WND, however, is a report on the motions filed 6 August that asked for a re-hearing and also that the judge recuse himself because of his prejudice; a couple hours later the judge dismissed both motions as being “frivolous and without merit.” No further explanations were provided. Dr. Taitz is claiming that the decision was sealed by the court but, from postings today on Leo Donofrio’s blog, it seems that the dismissal is rather open with no further explanation being offered and the court than just closed the case. Period. End of discussion.
See also:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/cook-v-simtech-order-denying-motion-for-recusal-as-frivolous-and-wholly-without-merit/
One of these days, one of these lawyers in one of these cases will hit it big – probably as the growing public outcry over this defacto President’s actions turns the country’s mood ugly and some judge finally sees the writing on the wall. Perhaps if active duty military start suing for relief or a person or group steps up claiming damage from a law signed by Obama and then can claim the law unconstitutional since Obama’s not natural born and holds the office illegally.
We live in interesting times indeed.
Leon Brozyna
CW2, USA (Ret)
I ask all those who impugned Maj. Cook’s motives and patriotism
ON THIS FORUM
based on the false report that he volunteered in the Spring or after the presidential election,
OFFER A PUBLIC APOLOGY ON THIS FORUM
esp. now that it is clear that this man’s patriosim is astronomically above many in the military…
Phil – you’re a bit late with the twins conspiracy – it’s already been debunked numerous times. The 19 in 1961 was added to the COLB numbers as Y2K approached – it would not appear on the original long form certificates. If you had a recent COLB for the twins, theirs would also have 1961 in the number.
Phil, in the article, writes:
The key point to remember about the judges is: they’re the judges. You are of course free to criticize whatever you wish, but the judges were not submitting propositions for you to debate. Their decisions do not require your approval.
You eligibility deniers do great in your own heads. When you judge your own cause, we obots lose every time. Over and over, you lament having to explain material that we’ve been over before. Then the real-world outcomes arrives. What? The obots were right? Yet again?
Phil, when another judge writes “native born” instead of “natural born”, have you considered taking it as a clue? Obots have been telling birthers that a native born citizen is a natural born citizen, and courts frequently use the terms interchangeably. When exactly that happens in the birther’s own suits, perhaps it means that the obots were right, rather than that the birthers knew better than the courts how the courts interpret the law.
We’ve also been telling you that the what we’re dealing with is a conspiracy theory. Now you have that from a federal judge too. Consider taking it more as opportunity to learn than to teach.
I AM IN CONTROL, HERE, AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
The actual President, Joe, is on vacation!
What is this joker talking about twittered on the internet? Are we now holding court cases on the internet. I think the next murder trial should be via the internet. That way the defendants can put up fraudulent documentation that can not be forensically examined. The imposter is a criminal with criminal ties. He needs to be in the white house so he can executive order himself into acquittal. He is even hoping to get term limits removed so he can never answer to the law abiding citizens. He stays up nights dreaming up his next heinous criminal activity.
Phil,
In your post above you write:
“(I do believe this was the term that Major Cook used in his case)”
Should that not say, “I do not believe”…?
BO has all fake documents. Fake COLB, fake selective service paper, fake everything. He is the biggest fake ever. I hope that Carl will get somewhere with this law suit because the documents were forged and that is a felony. Also BO committed a lot of perjury including the oath of office.
In related news, concerned citizens have been relaying to me that Carl Swensson, Georgia citizen grand jury foreman and eligibility activist, has filed in the US District Court for DC the case, Swensson v. Soetoro.
Is this one of those phantom filings, like James v. Obama?
There’s no new suit involving either Swensson or Soetoro.
And you would think Swensson would announce such a thing on his own site, no?
Just a note to let you know the mailing of our suit does not occur until today. Crossing t’s and dotting i’s. Due diligence is the best policy.
This is interesting. In the WND Artcle, Cook is quoted as saying:
However, according to his own resume (posted at Orly’s Blog) he left Camp Doha in February of ‘03, spending the rest of the time he claims to have been in Kuwait associated with the IRR (Individual ready Researve) in St. Louis.
The war did not begin until March 19, 2003… meaning he was never under SCUD fire from Iraq. An individual assigned to the IRR receives no pay and is not obligated to drill, conduct annual training, or participate in any military activities, though the time does count towards retirement.
The supposed “knocking around in both Iraq and Afghanistan” in January February of ‘08 also does not appear on his resume.
It does not appear MAJ Cook is being entirely forthright about his “combat experience.”
Lazarra is a Clinton/Democratic appointee. His geographical/political region there is the one that court ordered Terri Schiavo to be killed.
“In the future, it would be nice if judges could simply stick strictly to the law, administer their orders without editorializing, and be done with it.”
Which is exactly what the judge did in the orders when Orly filed for reconsideration and recusal, yet he’s criticized for that as well.
By the way, Leo Donofrio agrees that the judge ruled correctly and explains why here http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/.
Only if you don’t think about it very hard.
Obama was born on a Friday night, and the twins were born the next day. The first time clerical staff would have been there to process the birth documents would be Monday morning.
Question 1:
When building a stack of documents, how will the documents stack?
Answer 1:
Oldest on the bottom, newest on the top.
Question 2:
When processing a stack of documents and assigning numbers to them, what order do you go through?
Answer 2:
From top to bottom.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm….. that was hard to figure out!
Says Orly Taitz: Beware, disinformation from therightsideoflife.com web site.
Phil, Orly has corrected you re: sealed orders from Lazarra on her site.
Birther Girl in SC,
Very busy week this week. Will be adding the archive to my In The Media page (as seen on the top bar of my main page) probably by this weekend.
In the meantime, here’s the actual link:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Reality-Check-/2009/08/12/Land-of-the-Obots
-Phil
David,
To answer the question to which I definitely know the answer, as far as I know, only the new Swensson v. Soetoro appears to be singularly going after the birth certificate. I do believe that most other currently pending cases consider not only the birth certificate but also citizenship considerations.
-Phil
bystander,
I don’t think I ever said this was a conspiracy, and I realize that other entities “broke” the story before I did. My mission isn’t necessarily to “break” stories, but to cover things especially regarding eligibility that I find interesting.
Therefore, as I’ve already addressed in the posting, my main question is the sequencing of the numbers. Lack of the first two digits of a year (assuming that’s what the “61″ represents) does not explain the apparent sequential differentiation with these documents.
-Phil
Civis Naturaliter Natus,
No, that was intentional. I thought I recalled specifically seeing “native born” in the case.
-Phil
Bob,
That is incorrect. In fact, when GeorgetownJD did her “Birfistan” update on “Reality Check’s” Land of the Obots show last Tuesday, she specifically mentioned that the suit had been filed or was about to be filed. And yes, she is actually a lawyer based out of the great State of Arizona.
-Phil
HistorianDude,
Can you substantiate that this is, in fact, the process used to create these documents?
-Phil
Good news everybody this just in from fox news mainstream media. The approval rating of ‘bama continues to drop. The latest is at 47%.
Phil:
The closest I can come is to substantiate that this was, in fact, the process at St. Francis Medical Center in Honolulu, Baptist medical Center in Little Rock, Hillcrest Hospital in Tulsa, and Memorial University Medical Center in Savannah when I consulted in their respective Labor and Delivery services in the mid ’90s.
I have never personally seen a hospital do it any other way.
Phil,
“Bob,
There’s no new suit involving either Swensson or Soetoro.
That is incorrect. In fact, when GeorgetownJD did her “Birfistan” update on “Reality Check’s” Land of the Obots show last Tuesday, she specifically mentioned that the suit had been filed or was about to be filed. And yes, she is actually a lawyer based out of the great State of Arizona.
-Phil”
I reported that Chalice announced the intention to file a suit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, and she was engaged in fund raising for the $350 filing fee. To date — now a week after Chalice’s announcement – NO such suit has been filed. It unclear who will be named as defendant(s), nor is it clear what the basis of any claims will be.
As you will recall, the D.D.C. is the court where Chalice, Carl Swensson and their merry gang attempted to “file” a “citizens” grand jury presentment and, to their disappointment, the Chief Judge ruled that the CGJ is not a legal body and hence ordered the clerk to file the presentment under a Miscellaneous number. IOW, the dead file. For all we know, given that Chalice and Carl have offered no explanation what their soon-to-be-filed cause of action entails, the suit may simply be a further attempt to get a case on the docket relating to the presentment.
The bottom line: No active case, no reason for Obama’s counsel to enter any appearance.
HistorianDude,
Thank you, sir.
-Phil
GeorgetownJD,
Thank you, ma’am, for the update.
-Phil
Question 1:
When building a stack of documents, how will the documents stack?
Answer 1:
Oldest on the bottom, newest on the top.
That is very speculative and depends on whether there were any procedures to follow. You could be right or you could be wrong. Were the twins’ birth announcement in the same paper at the same time as Obama’s? If not, then how does the answer square with this:
“Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers.
Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.”
There could be an explanation, but none comes to mind at the moment.
Phil: Hospital procedures in 1961 were not the same as in the 1990s.
Phil,
Perhaps I should be more careful with my wording next time. What I was trying to figure out was, are there any lawsuits that use the constitutional/natural-born/Vattel angle as the primary argument, and the BC as only an ancillary issue?
Sorry about the confusion.
Also, what ever happened to the quo warranto attempts?
David
David,
I don’t think so, at this time. However, taking a look at my Eligibility Lawsuits page (top of main web page) might lead you in a better direction.
To date, all sources seem to indicate that nothing has ever been filed.
-Phil
That is very speculative
Oh, the irony.
Were the twins’ birth announcement in the same paper at the same time as Obama’s?
You tell us. Surely you don’t expect someone else to provide evidence to support your hypothesis?
There could be an explanation, but none comes to mind at the moment.
My prediction: If the twins’ birth announcement aren’t in that edition of the newspapers; they’re in next week’s. (The twins’ birth certificates weren’t registered until Friday.)
MGB:
If the procedure you’re talking about was heart surgery, certainly.
If the the procedure was paper pushing in L&D, probably not.
I assure you, there is not somebody sitting in L&D assigning birth certificate numbers at the moment each baby enters the world. There are usually one or two more important things going on.
Sharon 2:
It’s not speculative at all. I spent three years of my career consulting on exactly that sort of process with the company West Hudson, later acquired by Allegiance Healthcare, which was itself acquired by Cardinal Health. It is in fact standard just about anyplace you go.
We’re talking about paper pushing, Sharon. It’s not rocket science.
You’re an IT guy, Phil. why not tell Sharon about the difference between batch processing and transaction processing.
Or maybe with those hints she can figure it out herself.
HD to Sharon2:
Sharon2,
I take issue with this statement of yours:
That is very speculative and depends on whether there were any procedures to follow. You could be right or you could be wrong.
My past experience in the health care field leads me to believe that the process is just as I described. I spent three years of my career consulting on exactly that sort of process with the company West Hudson, later acquired by Allegiance Healthcare, which was itself acquired by Cardinal Health. It is in fact standard just about anyplace you go.
Sharon2 to HD,
It certainly sounds logical, but I respectfully hold to my position that is speculative. I posted another commenter’s speculation below, which I found interesting but not strong enough to take it out of the realm of speculation also.
HD to Sharon2
Sharon2,
I also have a thing or two to say about this:
Were the twins’ birth announcement in the same paper at the same time as Obama’s? If not, then how does the answer square with this: There could be an explanation, but none comes to mind at the moment.
You certainly raise an obvious question, but one that can be answered by considering the difference between batch processing and transaction processing. I suspect, however, that there may be a birther theory lurking about
HD,
What would help resolve this issue, for me, is to see a copy of the newspaper announcement proclaiming the birth of the Nordyke twins. That it was in the paper the following week is possible. I know your day would not be complete without another birther theory for you to ATTEMPT to dissemble
so let me lay it on you. I have heard a rumor of the possibility of the Nordyke twins’ birth announcement being replaced by the Obama announcement (as in manipulation). I won’t dig my heels in on that one. If a Nordyke birth announcement should suddenly appear, then that of course would lead to further speculation about the “f” word (as in forgery). None of that ultimately addresses the natural born citizen issue which has never been officially resolved.
And Obama was adopted.
HD to Sharon2,
Oh boy, where do I start? Thank the Good Lord you have me to set you straight
Let me start with….
I don’t know what happened to my other comment so I apologize if it appears twice. This analysis from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2303014/posts?q=1&;page=201
Mrs. Nordyke is still alive and well. She theorized that because her labor was so long, it is possible that two BC forms for her twins were pulled from a stack the day before the delivery (when she rolled into the hospital), whereas Obama’s mother perhaps came in afterward and had a shorter labor resulting in an earlier birth. However, everyone involved is merely speculating, because even Mrs. Nordyke has no memory of actually seeing Mrs. Obama there at the hospital during the delivery, or arriving at the hospital. Mrs. Nordyke is a very valuable source of 1st person factual information, since she remembers who the attending MD’s were during those days. Her children’s certificates are invaluable sources of verifiable information as well, and serve as references for comparison.
First, I will address the idea that birth certificates are “started” when a pregnant woman rolls in the door.
Most hospitals don’t “start” to fill out BC’s because they document live births, which is not guaranteed (especially with twins in 1961, but true still today). They are filled out a few minutes after the birth and after the “afterbirth” – when the medical situation is stable, no bleeding problems, etc. You don’t know how many live births you are going to have until you have a live screaming baby in your hands. Labor can last several days, and false labor is common. A large fraction of women presenting with a chief complaint of “labor” are not in labor. By the time a woman is known to be in labor (cervix dilation check, etc) the process is well along, and not much time is to be saved by pulling a certificate off the stack.
The only time saved would be the part with the mom and dad’s name, address, and profession, since every other field on the form (including the MD attending at the time) could change with a long labor. Obviously, the time of birth is not known until it actually occurs. That was as true in 1961 as it is today.
If the blank long-form BC papers had serialized file numbers already stamped on them when they were delivered to the hospital, this would further strengthen the practice of only starting to fill one out AFTER a live delivery, since any stillborn children would result in a major OOPS and a ruined serialized document.
We know that the serial numbers correspond at least roughly to the dates of birth / registration in the calendar year, because 10650/17592 is approximately equal to 220/365. The only practical way to make that happen is to have the file number stamped onto the form at the central Registrar General’s office. This is because births are happening continuously at large and small hospitals and doctors’ offices (and a few homes) all over the many islands of Hawaii. They could not all have distributed stacks of pre-stamped blanks, because nobody knows where and when the births will happen. You would have to ship out fresh mini-stacks of serialized blank documents to each location on a semi-continuous basis, that that is just not practical.
Therefore, the whole idea that the forms were stamped with filing serial numbers at the hospital is dubious. They were stamped with this number at the central office of the state Registrar General.
Since we have the long forms, we know that Mrs. Nordyke hadn’t signed it until 8-7-1961 and the MD didn’t sign until 8-11-1961. Therefore, those particular blanks DID NOT leave the hospital until 8-11, the day they were filed and ACCEPTED with the local registrar AND Registrar General.
Presumably, since Honolulu is the capitol of Hawaii, the office of the local registrar and the Registrar General are one and the same, which explains why both blanks on both of the Nordyke forms are stamped Aug 11 1961 with the same stamp, and individually signed by the local registrar. This also explains the “same-day” turnaround between the local and General. This assumption can easily be verified.
We know that Obama’s birth documents are alleged to have been filed with the registrar 8-8-2008, based on his non-redacted short form. We don’t know if that is the date of the “local” or “general” but if his birthplace really was Honolulu (which the short form seems to indicate clearly, legalistic interpretations aside), then his form ALSO reached the Registrar General’s office on or before 8-8-1961 in order to get that date (if he wasn’t born in Honolulu, then he has lied and misleading documents have been vouched for by public officials).
They absolutely wouldn’t roll back a date stamp if his document happened to come in on 8-11-1961 along with the Nordyke’s certificates as part of a batch shipment from Kapiolani. This would be an act of fraud, to certify a document as being on file before it actually is on file.
It is perhaps possible that the document was dropped off at the registrar’s office on 8-8-1961, stamped with that date, and then later stamped with a file number and filed on the same day as the twins’ BC’s as part of a Friday batch process. Because the Nordyke forms were only brought in to the Registrar’s office on Friday, they very well might have been “on top” of the stack.
However, that still doesn’t make any damn sense.
Hawaii had an average of 48 registered births EVERY DAY that year. Obama’s BC should therefore have not been anywhere near the “top of the stack” on Friday since his form was at the office on 8-8-1961. There should be approximately 48 in the stack for the 9th, and 48 in the stack for the 10th, and some fractions for the partial 8th and 11th. Due to the law of large numbers, there is a statistically significant difference between “2” and “96” even though the second number is stochastic and subject to innumerable sources of random variance. There is no way that on 8-9 and 8-10 only two other BC’s were dropped onto the inbox stack for batch processing.
Obama’s certificate number is alleged to be 10641. His certificate is alleged to have been in the office on 8-8-1961, and it was perhaps stamped with a filing serial number and then filed on a later date.
The Nordyke certificates are numbers 10637 and 10638. They were obviously processed back-to-back at all steps in the process, from delivery, to hospital data entry, to transmittal, to filing.
Obama’s certificate COULD not have followed a completely different path (Kapiolani to the office on or before 8-8-1961, then filed 8-11-1961) right behind the Nordykes, because there were 100 births all over Hawaii between them in the intervening time. Despite transmittal delays from different parts of the islands, a stream of 48 BC’s per day is to be expected.
Now, assume that the filing number is only stamped onto the certificates on Fridays, and the certificates from the past week are placed into “loose” alphabetical order before stamping(which explains the first-name alphabetical order reversal for the twins’ numbers). Under this scenario, there are 48×7=336 certificates to stamp and file on each Friday at the end of the day, in addition to doing all the other work for the 48 that happened to arrive during the day Friday.
The US Census publishes lists of last name frequency distribution for the total US, but there is likely a different pattern in Hawaii owing to the different ethnic distribution of the islands. The only common US names that appear alphabetically between Nordyke and Obama are Norman, Norris, and Norton.
So in other words, it is completely possible that they could be that close, but only if all of the forms are stamped at the end of the week after being put into loose alphabetical order in a stack of ~336.
If there was anything like a continuous process for filing, where documents were stamped with file numbers during the week, it is so unlikely as to be impossible.
Even ONE of the intervening certificates, 10639 and 10640, could answer the question. That person would have an N* or O* name, and would also give a few more datestamps.
Those two numbers should be broadcast, so that anyone born in hawaii within a week window knows to look for their number.
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HD, this is the comment to which I am referring below.
Sharon 2:
Find somebody in Hawaii who will go to a library and look up the microfilms. Unless you think the conspiracy was able to replace every microfilm in every library in Hawaii with a forgery, your answer should be easy to come by.
HD to Sharon2:
You conspiracy theorist you
Here is a suggestion. Take a little vacation to Hawaii and while there, check out all the microfilms you can get your little hands on. But please enjoy the scenery first, take a walk along some beaches. Does wonders for the soul. 
Sharon2 to HD,
You kidder you!
I know you realize that it wasn’t my theory that microfilm was tampered with, or that I even gave it a lot of credence. The information was given merely to keep you comin’ back to this bodaciously kewl site 
Gets Phil that traffic.
Just doing a little checking around, maybe even being prurient. This from Atlas Shrugs:
Pamela,
Infidel Granny here. I am the woman who sent you the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2008. You gave me a hat tip on July 23, 2008.
I sure hope you don’t think I had anything to do with a forgery.
The woman I spoke to at the Advertiser suggested I contact the Hawaii State Librbary for the info. That’s where I got it from just as it states in the blog on July 23. The librarian stated another woman had asked for the same thing about one week before I did.
You might still have my email and phone number. Feel free to contact me if you like.
Posted by: Infidel Granny | Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 07:35 PM
This from Sue at a different thread:
“We have one more thing. We talked to reporter Will Hoover, who wrote a well-researched story for the Honolulu Advertiser on Nov. 9, 2008, about Obama’s childhood years in the the Aloha State. It ran under the headline “Obama Slept Here.”
In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4.”
But here’s the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.
“That’s not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, ‘Hey, can you put this in?’” Hoover explained.”
“Those were listings that came over from the state Department of Health,” he said. “They would send the same thing to both papers.”
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Why would the Advertiser tell Infidel Granny to call the Hawaii State Library for the information in July of 2008? The reporter was able to research the newspaper archives in November of 2008, yet Granny is told to go somewhere else.
Saron 2: Why would the Advertiser tell Infidel Granny to call the Hawaii State Library for the information in July of 2008? The reporter was able to research the newspaper archives in November of 2008, yet Granny is told to go somewhere else.
Unless you have missed something from your excerpt, it does not say which archive the reporter went to – it could easily have been the same one as Infidel Granny.
Sharon2 – or it may be as simple as that the reporter, as a member of staff, would have access to an archive that would be closed to members of the public.
bystander,
It is possible that the reporter used the same library but stating that he went to “the” microfilm archives suggested that he did so at the newspapers’ archives. As to your other point, I don’t know why a newspaper archive would be closed to the public. Maybe someone else could explain that.