Certifigate: Obama Kenyan BR Images: Taitz, Corsi Speak; Response to Critics, Farah Promises More
After much discussion occurred over the image that Dr. Orly Taitz put forth as allegedly being Mr. Obama’s Kenyan Birth Registration form image, and after WorldNetDaily decided to pursue its own investigation into the image, we now have a couple of inconsistencies.
The first comes from the blog DefendOurFreedoms.net, showing that there have apparently been, in fact, two different images of the Kenyan Birth Registration form image:
The COLB for Barack Obama that was filed with this case: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/03118509265
And this one is modified to show some coded jokes:
This modified one is showing jokes like: The Font of the Certificate=Schmutz (A Schmutz is a chump, as in you are a chump)
#5733=The number of the Certificate, is code for : “Problem with Windows REGISTRY”, a sly reference to your claim that Obama does not appear on the Hawaii Live Birth Registry. 47O44=Easiest of all. BOH’s age=47 0=O (if you look close you can tell that that is a Schmutz Font “Oh” not “Zero”) EF Lavender is ORGANIC DISH SOAPThe original one does not say EF Lavender, it says KF Lavender. The original one shows the number is: 47,644. [emphasis original]
The Scribd link actually shows the “bad” registration image.
Not only this, but it can now be revealed — via both commenters and the blog TheSteadyDrip — that an Australian registration image could be used as a specimen to help determine authentication (via bomford.net) [Oops! They took their site down; here's another copy]:
Click on the image above and then click here for a full copy of one of the Kenyan Birth registration image for comparison purposes.
Thanks to more comments on TRSOL, the WashingtonIndependent site takes note:
One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers passes on quite the discovery: a 1964 “certified copy of registration of birth” from Australia, easily available on Bomford.net, a genealogy site. There are striking similarities between this document and the one Orly Taitz is passing off as a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama.
- The design is identical, down to the seal at the top and the classifications (”Christian name,” etc) used for identifying the baby.
- The “registrar” on the Bomford document is G.F. Lavender. On the Taitz document, it’s E.F. Lavender.
- The “district registrar” on the Bomford document is J.H. Miller. On the Taitz document, it’s M.H. Miller.
- The number of the book is identical on both documents: Book 44B, Page 5733.
What’s more likely — that two Kenyan bureaucrats shared last names with two Australian bureaucrats, and that the numbers on both certificates were identical? Or that someone used this document, available online for anyone who wanted to look, to forge the Obama “certificate?”
The story has now fundamentally changed. We now have two distinct images of the Kenyan Birth Registration form and what appears to be a legitimate Australian Birth Registration form image.
In fact, the question subsequently becomes, was the Australian image used as a basis for the Kenyan image? Are there enough inconsistencies to substantiate this claim? Or, could the Australian image be used as the basis for a “proof-positive” specimen showing that the “good” Kenyan image is, in fact, legitimate?
Let’s up the ante. As FreeRepublic.com commenters analyze the images, maybe the Australian form image is the forgery? Or, maybe both images are fraudulent?
Let’s go further: Assuming that all the images are fraudulent, why would someone go about taking a Australian Birth Registration image and manipulate it to be representational of a “forged” Kenyan Birth Registration image?
The saga most definitely continues…
Update: More interesting comments:
You may have jumped the gun there. The Bomford/Australian certificate image seems to have disappeared from all the “debunking” articles. Check out post 1,139 about 2/3rds down the page, re the Kenyan coat of arms emblem:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?q=1&;page=1132#1132
Looks like the Aussie cert was copied from Taitz’s, and not vise-versa.“Koyann (Steve Ellis), who fabricated the fake “Australian” certificate, didn’t take the time to replacte the crest, instead he cropped the upper part of the template, as you can see: the words “South Australia” are cut in half. It’s clear that he used the Kenya image as template and not the other way around. The typed letters are not distorted by the paper creases as they should.”
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It’s looking a lot more like the so called “Aussie” version is a fake.
For one thing, the folds between the Kenyan doc and the Aussie doc are different not only in number but also where they are located on the documents.
Furthermore:
1) The referring page: http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg has been taken down. As hashttp://www.bomford.net/worcestershire (earlier tonight, it had a message on it saying the bomford b.c. had been taken down.
Look at that bomford version. Zoom in and look at the lettering on the doc where the folds are. There seems to be no distortion at all (especially the bottom portion). In other words, the letters “float” over the folds. Discussion found here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/ … =1019#1019
Information on the guy who reportedly forged the Aussie version: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?page=1019#1019
Update: Where did that Australian Birth Registration image come from?:
Mr. Bomford verifies his birth certificate:
Update: And yet another commenter wrote this:
I’ve found lists of participants at 2 international conferences, one hosted by the UN, in which a Richard Bomford attended with a Richard Bamford email address, as someone working for the Aussie Governent, Regional Unit for the Environment, in the Australian Capital Territory (ACT).
Richard Bomford is listed as the domain holder for Bomford.net where this David Jeffrey Bomford Certification of Registration was found.
The problem is that Richard Bamford was just involved in a massive fraud case adjudicated in Australian on July 10th of this year.
Bamford seems to go by the name Bomford.
Also GIM International lists Richard Bomford as a GIS expert. It is my understanding that GIS information experts have software to produce maps and edit images of such quality, that forging a BC would be child’s play.
So the Bomford could be the fake; as its provenance is in doubt.
As far as I know, date stamps on images can also be faked. So that proves nothing. So can lead codes and other identifying facts.
There are a number of inconsistencies in the Bomford and Kenyan BCs. On the Bomford there is no tilting of the typed line at the bottom of the page, on the Kenyan there is. Only an expert could avoid the tilting problem when typing on the final inch of a single page of paper. Yet the Bomford has raised capitals, which often occur when typing fast on a typewritter and not fully depressing the capital shift key. The Kenyan does not have this problem.
The currency in Kenya was shillings. “d” in English currency means pence or cents. The Aussie has a seal different from the crest; the Kenyan seal is indiscernable. Both have the capital O instead of the zero for the number Zero and the capital O. Both seem to use the same typewriter font. Its a 25 years not a 26, because the loop for the 5 is larger not small and squat like the six.
etc etc. etc..
Update: Dr. Orly Taitz posted the following on her blog:
Debunking Obama’s thugs in the media
Recently Obama’s thugs in main stream media came up with this Bomford report in order to stop my efforts in exposing and prosecuting Obama. Though typically I don’t have time to waste on each and every dumb obot, since it got to National TV and my children”s friends called my children, I’ll spend a few minutes to debunk the obots:
1. Kenya became an independant country in 1963, not 1964. The seal of Kenya was correct.
2. More then one person had certified copies of this document.
3. the document was not issued at birth, but rather was a certified copy obatained in1964, when Kenya became independent
4. The documents from that time would not show Zanzibar, but rather Kenya
5. Bomford report was created to try to discredit my efforts
6.lastly, I am not supposed to waste my time and money on this issue, Obama us the one who is supposed to provide evidence of legitimacy
7. Kenyan BC provides more info than the piece of garbage Obama posted on the n et, which doesn’t have the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures.
8. Chioumi Fukino and Obama and all their Nazi Brown Shirts in the main stream media need to give it a rest and provide an original hospital BC and the corresponding big thick hospital Birthing file from the Kapiolani hospital. If they don’t have such a file, all of them need to resign immediately or they will be prosecuted for massive fraud and treason to this Nation. (in case you didn’t know, treason carries punishment of life in prison or death penalty).
Update: WorldNetDaily’s Jerome Corsi was on G. Gorden Liddy’s radio show en route to verifying the Kenyan document’s authenticity (via MediaMatters via OilForImmigration):
Update: More from FreeRepublic.com:
David Wiegel is a regular poster at the Politijab Forum. Many of you who have been keeping current know about the now banned “Koyaan” who’s blog can be found here. Koyaan is also a regular poster of the Politijab forum.
The source of the Australian document on FreeRepublic was from Koyaan. Politijab is an astroturf site according to Alexa. Please view their stats. Their main external links according to Alexa are four as follows:
Sites Linking to Politijab.com
AOL News news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/03/31/obama-indicted-by-common-law-grand-jury AOL News
Topix www.topix.com/forum/us/TDBHQ6CAEJ3I3IO7I/p1071 Topix
Daily Kos www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/14/0504/89636/282/697390 Daily Kos
Democratic Underground www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×8250245 Democratic Underground
Type in FreeRepublic in Alexia and you will see 6,463 external links.
You can draw your own conclusions, however a betting man would find favorable odds that a one “David Weigel” is part of the fraud campaign.
You can draw your own conclusions on which one is “definitely” a fake:
The original posted Kenyan:
Or the Australian that appeared out of thin air.
Update: David Weigel of the Washington Independent specifically cited this posting in his latest commentary in refuting the above FReeper comment (thanks, Mr. Weigel, for the honorable mention!):
This thread at the Right Side of Life, keying off of a FreeRepublic.com thread, is actually a pretty useful look at the way facts bounce off of the “birther” community like so many eggs off of a Humvee.
David Wiegel (sic) is a regular poster at the Politijab Forum.
Actually, no: I joined the site in order to read the threads at that superlative Web forum for “birther”-debunkers. I’ve never posted a comment there.
The rest of the argument posits that “Politijab is an astroturf site” because its inbound links come from AOL News, Daily Kos, Topix, and Democratic Underground. How that proves that the site is astroturf, I have no earthly idea.
You can draw your own conclusions, however a betting man would find favorable odds that a one “David Weigel” is part of the fraud campaign.
The “fraud campaign” is a new conspiracy theory, which argues that David Bomford’s birth certificate (used to forge the infamous “Kenyan birth certificate”) is itself a forgery, despite David Bomford’s acknowledgment that it’s real, and despite the failure of anyone responsible for the “Kenyan” certificate to come forward. One more reason to doubt that even the release of every Obama record would please the birthers; with the Bomford certificate, they have a genuine document that predates this conspiracy theory, and their forums are abuzz with “proof” of how it’s forged.
In reality, sites like mine are instead pointing out that we’re dealing with images, not documents, per se, so there’s lots of room for malfeasance to occur until such time as actual documents can be obtained for independent verification.
Also, Mr. Weigel, you’re operating under a leading conclusion with no basis in fact that a full release of Mr. Obama’s background documentation would not satisfy those of us who are questioning his presidential eligibility, and my site is full of evidence to support my notion.
Update: Previously frequent commenter on my site “Koyann” similarly responds to the above FReeper allegations:
By the way, I like that the person claims that I didn’t have time to replicate the crest, and instead cropped the upper part of the template, but yet somehow I had found the time to add a whole new section to the Bomford certificate that doesn’t exist on the Kenya certificate.
On the Bomford certificate, there’s a section titled “Name and Description of Authorized Person, and Name, Description and Residence of Informant” that appears just below the “Signature, Description and Residence of Informant” section.
There is no corresponding section in the Kenya certificate.
Funny, that.
Now, if I were to have created the “fake” Bomford certificate based on the “genuine” Kenya certificate, ostensibly for the purpose of trying to discredit the “genuine” Kenya certificate by misleading people to believe that the “genuine” Kenya certificate was modeled after the “fake” Bomford certificate, why on earth would I go adding something to it that doesn’t appear in the Kenya certificate?
C’mon, Phil. Give your ol’ buddy Koyaan a little more credit than that.
k
Update: WorldNetDaily points out the following responses from the ObamaNotQualified site:
1. It was dated Feb 14, 1964 and had the designation Republic of Kenya. However that designation was not official until December 1964.
That does not mean that the documents prior to then were not marked Republic as it would be common for a state after recently declaring it’s independence to act independently rather than continue under old rule.
Kenya declared its Independence from Great Britain in 1963 and evidently started to call itself “The Republic of Kenya”…
unless the writer of this newspaper article from 1963 was a prophet and called it “Republic of Kenya” before Kenya came up with that.
Newspaper article from 1963 journalist refers to Kenyan as a Republic.2. It’s number 44 O 47 is a bit coincidental with 44th President Obama 47th President
The # appears to read 44,047. Look at the “O” in “MOMBASSA” on the same line, it is a different character than the “0″.
NOTE: Senator Obama was the Rep. for the zip code 60606, so does that make him a Hoax? or “the Antichrist“?
3. The name EF Lavender. Earth Friendly Lavender is a detergent.Also the name of a flowering plant. Lavender is also a SURNAME!
4. Mombasa did not become part of Kenya until 1963. It used to be part of ZanzibarThe document was made in 1964, so pointless to mention.
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9. Obama’s father’s village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.
Mombassa, a coastal trading center, would have better facilities than Nairobi where Obama Sr. probably had little or no ties.
10. The place was called the “Central Nyanza District,” not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.There were districts, provinces and finally regions. There is a lot written about provinces before 61…after 63 regions also were delineated. Provinces and districts are 2 different things. Provinces in Kenya are made up of many districts. This is more like what County is to a State in USA. …
All 15 points can be found at the referenced link.
WND Editor and CEO Joseph Farah promises that the Kenyan Birth Registration image wasn’t the “big story” he promised on his Twitter account:
The big story I promised you last week on eligibility issue was NOT the Kenyan birth document. I didn’t even know about that last week.
It’s still coming — maybe tomorrow
See the following links regarding the eligibility saga:
- Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know
- Obama’s Sealed Background Documentation
- What’s the Difference Between a Birth Certification Versus a Birth Certificate?
- Keyes v. Lingle: Forensic Examiner and IT Expert Disprove Certification of Live Birth
- Obama Citizenship Facts
- The State Department and Sen. Patrick Leahy’s (D-VT) Natural Born Citizen Resolution (April 10, 2008)
- Citizen Grand Jury Updates and Eligibility Lawsuit Listing
-Phil
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observer says:
Is there some part of Honolulu you think to be outside the Untied States?
I just know how conspiracy theories work. Acceding to the theorists’ demands is worse than useless in dispelling them.
Whatever their basis, Hawaii has jurisdiction. How much faith should we have in their state records and how much credit should we give them? “Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.” — U.S. Constitution, Article IV, Section 1.
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brygenon,
Still didn’t answer my pithy question – one that gets to the heart of the matter rather than just pulling out the old frayed and worn “short form gives you everything necessary” sound bite which it obviously does not. So then you would have no objections to the fact that, a court, or some authority with the need to know, could actually discover more information re: THE birth since it is apparently still filed in a fuller form than what you offer up. You seem to have a great fear of that information becoming public for some reason. And you seem to not wish to acknowledge the various possibilities that do exist for just what Hawaii could quote as a basis for a certificate of live birth. But, I just bet that you actually do have some knowledge of the many nuances that exist for full disclosure but, for your purposes, just don’t feel it necessary to divulge any further facts than what sound bites have been offered to suffice for public information! You must have joined the Obama “transparency” brigade!
sue says:
August 6, 2009 at 12:17 pm
FYI
http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/blog-1523-sen-orrin-hatch-admits-obama-is-natural-born-us-citizen.html
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=51
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=3883
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=3884
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None of what you post above Sue makes the FRAUD a “natural born” citizen….it doesn’t matter how many resolutions the Congress passes or letters they write declaring the FRAUD is a “natural born” citizen…..IT JUST ISN’T SO….face reality and quit making a habit of quoting morons who probably have never read the Constitution let alone know what the meaning of a “natural born” citizen is!!! It has been shown that the ordinary citizen is able to pass a test about our government with a score of around 50%…these politicians average around 30%….that tells me we have a lot of HOT AIR and ZOMBIES walking around on Capitol Hill!!
sue says:
August 6, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Another Reader,
“You are the desperate ones. This is all nonsense, so why bother?”
Because I don’t like people who lie. And, you are right, this is all nonsense because:
1. President Obama was born in Hawaii
2. Hawaii DOH officials verified this twice now.
3. President Obama published his certified COLB online
4. FactCheck.org inspected and photographed the certified COLB
5. Others in the media were invited but did not show up–hmmm, speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Contact FactCheck.org Director Brooks Jackson for verification of my statement regarding this.
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And none of your BS above makes him eligible to be POTUS per the qualification stated in the US Constitution of needing to be a “natural born” citizen…..WHICH HE AIN’T!!!! Talk about lying and desperate….that would be you OBOTS….using the BC issue to avoid the unavoidable….face the music SUE…you were duped and voted for a FRAUD who is now destroying our country using puppets like you!!!
Phil:
Judging by Google’s cache, WND made the change sometime between Aug 2, 2009 20:42:48 GMT and Aug 3, 2009 16:58:35 GMT.
Here’s the August 2nd Cache:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:HPBNGZ-sc4cJ:www.wnd.com/index.php%3FpageId%3D73214+http://www.wnd.com/index.php%3Ffa%3DPAGE.view%26pageId%3D73214&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
observer says:
No, I was correcting your false characterization. My claim was was sourced and linked to the compete article, which you snipped so you could say that all I offered was a sound-bite. Here’s the article again: http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
We’ve already seen the birth certificate proving President Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html Do you think there is some constitutional requirement that the president be born in a hospital? Is there some neighborhood of Honolulu you think not to be in the United States?
The courts have shown no interest at all in the eligibility-deniers’ tantrums.
No, the citation puts the lie to the oft-heard claim that what Obama showed is not a birth certificate. It is the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii.
Sue,
Phil says:
August 6, 2009 at 2:08 pm
HistorianDude,
Black Lion did not leave that out. WND added that in.
It is a new note, added (apparently by my records) over the last couple weeks in the attempt to make excuses for their later about face.
Are you able to verify that? If so, please post in another comment.
-Phil
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Phil, that was recently added by WND. Probably in the last week or so. I have posted that link her on numerous occasions and reviewed that article for months and that so called editors note was never there. WND is covering themselves. For almost a year they had never addressed the fact that they had authenticates President Obama’s COLB. So now they added that note to justify and reconcile what they wrote then to what they are writing now.
HistorianDude,
Are you able to verify that? If so, please post in another comment.
-Phil
brygenon: The one keeping the truth from you is you. You, not I, chose to snip to a sound bite.
So you are trying to convince us and yourself that the information on the expedient short form (sound bites) is exactly the same as the long form birth certificate which is still being held in some kind of file?? Are you stating that a form with more limited info and which is permitted for certain purposes by the state can substitute for someone who legitimately will need to know the more involved info on the long form birth certificate? Are you saying that a court with the need to know more specific information which is admitted by the state to still exist in their file cannot be ordered when there is a legitimate need to know?
Somehow, by presenting the link that you did, it appears that you would like people to think that that proves that the greater amount of birth information has just disappeared into thin air and no longer available in any way. The link you provided only states what we already know re: what the state deems necessary for those who need to present some form that would suffice for their basic needs, but does not change the fact that, in the case of Obama, that more information about the facts of his birth, if contained on the long form of birth certificate, still is kept on file. Unlike what certain media outlets have advertised and perhaps what you would also like to imply, the larger amount of info was not destroyed just because there was a change in what is required and what is issued for certain basic needs of the population.
Phil, Jerome Corsi posted another story at WND, supposedly debunking the Kenyan birth certificate.
However, I don’t see that he did. It looks to me as if he got photos of pages from a 1961 Kenyan birth registry. So?
The so-called Kenyan birth certificate proferred by Dr. Taitz is a “certified copy” from 1964 authenticating that there’s a birth record IN the 1961 registry.
Different forms altogether.
To disprove the document Taitz proferred, he’d have to get a copy of another “certified copy of registration of birth” FROM 1964. 1964, not 1961. And a “certified copy” NOT a copy of pages from the actual registry. Sheesh!
Phil, good luck with getting sourcing on any actual visit by FactCheck “reporters” to the COLB in Chicago. Notice that no faces of the individuals are shown in any of the photos.
If Miller and another reporter actually were there, and if one of them is holding the COLB, then why crop out the face?
The date stamp in the exif information, posted with those photos at FactCheck BEFORE they scrubbed the information, indicated that the photos were taken just days before the break-in at the passport office, not in August when the photos were presented on FactCheck.
The time was off, because daylight was streaming through windows, suggesting that it was daytime in Chicago, not approx. 10 p.m., which was indicated by the exif data.
The date and time may have been set at the factory when the camera was manufactured, and never reset by that photographer.
My own cameras, both digital, neither re-set by me, have a correct date but the time is off by about 12 hours, because my cameras, like so many others, were made in Asia.
FactCheck NEVER gave an explanation for WHY they downsized the photos and removed that exif data, after this discrepancy was pointed out to them.
WHY, if they are the sole arbiters of truth?
For the benefit of Black Lion, that posting by “anonymous” at 12:04 was from me. I must have forgotten to put in my pseudonym.
Anonymous:
Black Lion did not leave that out. WND added that in.
It is a new note, added (apparently by my records) over the last couple weeks in the attempt to make excuses for their later about face.
They are doing the same thing again today. Having already insisted that they had obtained authentic Kenyan birth certificates that were identical to the Orly doc, they have now purged all related stories from their front page and suddenly published a new one in which they say the exact opposite.
That’s the risk when you choose to lie through your teeth and call it “news.”
You are being played, anonymous, by both sides of this issue. For the naturally paranoid that must be deeply unsettling.
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“The Queen Bee is merely being used as a disinformation tool by the BO campaign.”
Are you 100% sure of this?
Another Reader,
“You are the desperate ones. This is all nonsense, so why bother?”
Because I don’t like people who lie. And, you are right, this is all nonsense because:
1. President Obama was born in Hawaii
2. Hawaii DOH officials verified this twice now.
3. President Obama published his certified COLB online
4. FactCheck.org inspected and photographed the certified COLB
5. Others in the media were invited but did not show up–hmmm, speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Contact FactCheck.org Director Brooks Jackson for verification of my statement regarding this.
FYI
http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/blog-1523-sen-orrin-hatch-admits-obama-is-natural-born-us-citizen.html
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=51
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=3883
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=3884
Doesn’t look like the same stripe patterns in the table cloth on those pictures to me. Funny anyway….props to whoever of you lefties did it
Phil:
A perfect lead in to my next comment, so I hope you don’t mind my placing it first in this response.
Spoken like a hard-core conspiracy theorist!! “Don’t trust anything.”
I left out the “unless it can be validated” because as we see above you don’t trust the validations either. The validation by FactCheck? Throw them into the conspiracy!!!! The validation by Dr. Fukino? Damn… even though she’s the Republican appointee of a Republican governor, they must be part of the conspiracy too!!! The State Department response to Strunk!!! OMG!!! Even the career bureaucrats at the DoS are in on the conspiracy!!
To have included the “unless it can be validated” phrase would be, well, ironic.
And I hate to make you guys look ironic.