Eligibility Top Choice for Public Record Requests; Columnist: “Obama Should Resign”
As WorldNetDaily has been reporting today, the White House, via the National Academy of Public Administration, began using IdeaScale.com’s Open Government Dialog web site to help gauge the public’s interest in what kinds of data should be made transparent with this Administration:
The entire transparency portion of the White House website on “open government dialogue” has been overrun with citizens calling on Barack Obama to release his elusive “long-form” birth certificate to establish his constitutional eligibility to serve as president.
The forums are open to the public for participation. Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, has been urging those concerned about the issue to get involved.
As WND reported, on Sunday night only 30 percent of respondents in one forum demanded the president release the document. But that number exploded to more than 74 percent after the public became aware of the White House resource.
At the time of this report, more than 175 comments were posted to the forum, titled “Verifying eligibility to be president of the USA,” including the following:
- We need to keep the pressure on! How did BO even get one foot in the White House door without a birth certificate?
- Even if he shows a forged birth certificate – which he undoubtedly will in time (he and his cronies are in WAAAY too deep) it is common knowledge (records, and his book and many articles) that his father was not a US citizen at his birth – so … Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen … period.
- After the campaigning on all the “wonderful” socialist programs then obfuscating on all the plans to implement them, I’m sick of NO transparency. I recall we were promised the opposite. Only a traitor can be elected as U.S. President and simultaneously refuse to abide by his oath of office.
- He can’t show what doesn’t exist! He is a Kenyan usurper and with his minions of baby-killers will ruin our nation!
- If he’s innocent, it should be no trouble for him to produce the long form. The more he delays, the more guiltier he becomes. Trying to make out that the people are idiots who ask, is not going to dissuade this American from demanding the truth.
- It is a foregone conclusion that Obama is not a natural born citizen. No one would work so hard to hide the truth.
- Gibbs “laughing” at the reporter who inquired about the long-form birth certificate had body language of deception all over it. And the fact that the other media laughed as well just goes to show how blind and imbecilic they are. Do they really think that the American people don’t know the difference between what’s on the internet and what they SHOULD be seeing? And yes, I agree that Gibbs isn’t just laughing at the reporter. He’s laughing at all of us who stand for truth, transparency, and the integrity of our nation.
- Instead of asking for a birth certificate, at this stage an impeachment should be in the works.
Only eight people objected to calls for Obama to produce his long-form birth certificate on the single forum while more than 180 postings urged him to do so.
Since the debut of the “Verifying eligibility to be president of the USA” topic, many other forums have popped up in the records management section of the website demanding Obama produce the document, including the following:
- “We the people want to see the real long form birth certificate“
- “Show us the long form birth certificate that would contain verifiable details of Obama’s birth“
- “Direct challenge and demand to Obama and his cronies“
- “This will go away of you’ll just prove your citizenship“
- “Prove your natural-born citizenship, Comrade Obama“
- “My son shouldn’t serve under Obama“
- “Presidential birth certificate“
In the “Making government Operations more open” section of the website, the following forums have also appeared:
- “Natural born citizenship“
- “Demonstrate respect for law“
- “Mr. Obama’s birth certificate“
- “Mr. Soetoro, please show us the birth certificate“
- “Where’s the birth certificate?“
- “OMG just show us the birth certificate“
- “Eligibility requirements Article II, Section I, Par. 4“
The list continues for several pages as the entire transparency portion of the website has been overrun with citizens demanding presentation of the long-form birth certificate. Every thread features dozens – and even hundreds – of people in agreement that Obama should release the document.
The website TechPresident blasted “birthers” for “fouling” the Open Government Dialogue website today. Micah Sifry called the voters “conspiracy nuts who think the President isn’t legitimately a U.S. citizen” and noted that the website has experienced a big jump in users and comments in the last few days – something the author claims could be “a possible sign of trouble.”
“Personally, I’ve already been on the site voting down the various ‘birther’ suggestions,” Sifry wrote. “It’s one thing to be tolerant of differences of opinion and have civil disagreement; it’s another thing to let nuts trash a town hall.”
It continues to baffle me that those of us on the Internet who have serious questions about this President’s eligibility are not only castigated with ad hominem pejoratives — “birthers” — but are basically being disinvited from sharing our views on the eligibility situation. Then again, people who generally agree with me become upset when opposition commenters comment perhaps “too much” on my own site, so I suppose the negative sentiments may cut both ways.
It has become exceptionally obvious that the White House needs to do a better job of handling the birth certificate and eligibility situation — unlike its recent performance with the White House Press Secretary that raised more questions than it answered — if it truly wants the issue to go away. Further, the Secretary didn’t do the issue any favors to the Administration when he merely dismissed the alleged certification of live birth and completely ignored the topic of eligibility.
Columnist Ted Rall had some rather scathing comments about the President for whom he voted in his recent column, “It’s increasingly evident that Obama should resign” (excerpted):
Obama is useless. Worse than that, he’s dangerous. Which is why, if he has any patriotism left after the thousands of meetings he has sat through with corporate contributors, blood-sucking lobbyists and corrupt politicians, he ought to step down now — before he drags us further into the abyss.
I refer here to Obama’s plan for “preventive detentions.” If a cop or other government official thinks you might want to commit a crime someday, you could be held in “prolonged detention.” Reports in U.S. state-controlled media imply that Obama’s shocking new policy would only apply to Islamic terrorists (or, in this case, wannabe Islamic terrorists, and also kinda-sorta-maybe-thinking-about-terrorism dudes). As if that made it OK.
In practice, Obama wants to let government goons snatch you, me and anyone else they deem annoying off the street. …
Locking up people who haven’t done anything wrong is worse than un-American and a violent attack on the most basic principles of Western jurisprudence. It is contrary to the most essential notion of human decency. That anyone has ever been subjected to “preventive detention” is an outrage. That the president of the United States, a man who won an election because he promised to elevate our moral and political discourse, would even entertain such a revolting idea offends the idea of civilization itself.
Obama is cute. He is charming. But there is something rotten inside him. Unlike the Republicans who backed George W. Bush, I won’t follow a terrible leader just because I voted for him. Obama has revealed himself. He is a monster, and he should remove himself from power. …
In democracies with functioning legal systems, it is assumed that people against whom there is a “lack of evidence” are innocent. They walk free. In countries where the rule of law prevails, in places blessedly free of fearful leaders whose only concern is staying in power, “tainted evidence” is no evidence at all. If you can’t prove that a defendant committed a crime — an actual crime, not a thoughtcrime — in a fair trial, you release him and apologize to the judge and jury for wasting their time.
It is amazing and incredible, after eight years of Bush’s lawless behavior, to have to still have to explain these things. For that reason alone, Obama should resign.
Mr. Rall has more details at the link provided. While I don’t completely agree with his sentiments regarding the Bush (43) Administration, at least Mr. Rall has taken the proverbial party-line blinders off and is seeing Mr. Obama for the actions he has promulgated.
-Phil
1. He is continuing the previous administration’s policy of preventative detention of non citizens that our intelligence community may have identified as threats to the US. Other administrations have done the same. Do you disagree?
2. He is an natural born citizen. The “long form” birth certificate is a figment of your and Phil’s imagination. See this brand new article where Judith Okubo puts this stupid birther mantra out of its misery once and forever: (Those who were paying attention new all of this already).
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
OK, Obots, explain this for me:
O want preventitative detention: that is, without doing anything wrong, if O’s goons think you are going to do something wrong or might have done something wrong, but have no evidence, you can be detained.
Tell me then, why O wont show us his long form BC? or step down for not being a NBC?
I think O should be preventatively detained….
Robert Gibbs Joins Ron Ziegler and Baghdad Bob
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Baghdad Gibbs
Phil says:
June 3, 2009 at 8:20
“Because, earl, if the law were actually spelled out concerning eligibility enforcement, then we’d know exactly and precisely what to do in this situation, similarly to the fact that we know that a President must be eligible, because the Constitution says so.”
Eligibility is already clear, there’s no need for laws to spell out how to enforce it. People who are eligible fall into one of the categories in Title 8, Sec 1401.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
Obama falls under (a). Born in Hawaii. Eligible.
earl,
You’re presuming I’d answer in the negative or with no answer at all. Instead, the truth of the matter is that it is up to each Secretary of State/Commonwealth to determine a candidate’s eligibility. However, when pressed on this issue by a myriad of petitioners via most eligibility lawsuits, they (the SOS/C) pointed the proverbial finger to each political party (which, I think, is a bit of a farce).
Mr. Justin Riggs has exhaustively covered this at his blog, yourfellowcitizen.com. I’ve similarly covered much of his coverage and similar issues in my Category “Candidate > Qualifications.” In either of these places, you’ll find copious amounts of info to include State statutes and official PDFs from State and federal party leaders on the subject.
Because, earl, if the law were actually spelled out concerning eligibility enforcement, then we’d know exactly and precisely what to do in this situation, similarly to the fact that we know that a President must be eligible, because the Constitution says so.
I don’t know that Mr. Obama actually did the request for any certificate or certification in 2007. I haven’t been able to locate a publicly-viewable record that substantiates this alleged transaction.
If you will reference what I’ve given you, above, regarding candidate qualifications, you will quickly find out that such a presumption on your part is entirely false. In fact, the only thing that the Democrat and Republican parties require are self-ascribing certifications from the candidates wherein the candidate merely states that they’re eligible for the presidency.
As far as anyone has been able to find to date, no State in the Union requires actual documentation to back up these certifications; in theory, it’s up to the various SOS/Cs to do that kind of background check, and my understanding is that even that kind of legwork isn’t a legal requirement. Further, as I’ve similarly mentioned, when SOS/Cs are pressed on this in Court, they point fingers back to the political parties.
-Phil
Phil says:
June 3, 2009 at 10:58 am
“I think you need to be reading my commentary a bit more closely, because you literally cannot make such a sweepingly generalized statement.”
Of course I can. Eligibility is very simple: those who meet the definitions of citizen at birth in Title 8, Sec 1401 are natural born citizens and eligible. Obama was born in Hawaii: Eligible.
Sure there’s currently no public committee or organization who formally and publicly investigates and declares candidates eligible, but candidates must apply to the ballot in each state and territory. Why wouldn’t you think each state or territory determines whether a candidate is eligible for the ballot? Since you don’t know, you’re assuming they don’t. Why didn’t someone just ask how states do that before the election and before filing lawsuits? Just because you don’t know the process each state uses, doesn’t mean it doesn’t occur. But the bottom line is – the eligibility answer is so simple, of what use would a “controlling authority” be? Why do you think Obama requested copies of his birth certificate in 2007? He or someone realized he’d be applying to the ballot in 50+ states and territories and would need it. Perhaps he knew what the states would be asking for.
earl,
I think you need to be reading my commentary a bit more closely, because you literally cannot make such a sweepingly generalized statement.
Why can you not? For the simple fact of the matter that there is no controlling legal authority that enforces the presidential eligibility clause of the Constitution. Therefore, it is not rationally possible to say that “[h]e has provided the only document that is relevant,” because we have nothing, in law, that stipulates in any way what is “enough” to determine/substantiate eligibility.
Remember, the lack of law cuts both ways — I cannot say that the eligibility clause was legally enforced, and you cannot demand that any standard exists to enforce the eligibility clause. Yet, I can point to a listing of documentation that is known to exist that would help a reasonable individual conclude his qualifications for the presidency.
-Phil
john,
Most excellent stuff.
In fact, I’m going to be using that link as part of my next posting on eligibility, likely to be a posting that sums things up, to date.
Thanks much,
-Phil
JeffM says:
June 2, 2009 at 4:54 pm
“Soetoro has yet to prove he’s eligible aside from the DnC saying ‘we promise he’s eligible because we said so. So there…’”
President Obama was born at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu Hawaii on Aug 4,1961. This has been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence, most importantly a sealed/signed/dated Certificate of Live Birth. Barack Hussein Obama is a natural born citizen. He has provided the only document that is relevant. Now the burden is on you who accuse him. Prove he’s not.
The President’s name is Barack Hussein Obama. No one has shown any evidence that his name was ever anything but Barack Hussein Obama.
The new government sponsored “open government” and “transparency” site thinks they are being targeted by an organized group due to the huge number of posts questioning Obama’s eligibility. They did the same thing with the Tea Party events. They claimed it was an “astro turfing” event, i.e., organized by some big money backers. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Millions of Americans are just fed up with a lack of any one in DC listening. This new site found out how many and how much people want this issue discussed. They are now trying to sweep the response away and discount it just like the Tea Parties. But this eligibility issue will not go away. Obama will.
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
This is probably the fair and balanced article/site about the eligibility issue that John was talking about:
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
Article II of the U.S. Constitution clearly states for only the Office of President of the United States (POTUS) the requirement of “Natural Born Citizen”
Under the British Nationality Act 1948(BNA 1948), Obama’s father was a British citizen/subject when he was born in the English colony of Kenya. Obama’s father continued to be such and not a U.S. citizen when Obama was born in 1961. Under the same BNA 1948, at birth, regardless of where he was born, Obama also became a British citizen/subject by descent from his British father.
At Barack Hussein Obama II’s web site, http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate the following admission:
(begin quote) “FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship,
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…” (end quote)
Therefore admittedly, Barack Hussein Obama II (Soetoro) admits Great Britain governed his status.
A “NATURAL BORN” CITIZEN is one that CANNOT be “GOVERNED” by GREAT BRITAIN or any other country.
A “natural born citizen” is a person born on U.S. Soil of parents of which both must be U.S. Citizens and a “natural born citizen” can only be governed by the United States.
Therefore it is quite clear that Barack Hussein Obama II/Barry Soetoro cannot be a “natural born citizen” and has knowingly committed fraud against the people of the United States of America in his application for candidacy for Office of the President of the United States of America, and lied under Oath.
The Birth Certificate or place of birth is NOT a main issue based on the above Facts, and admission by BHO, he is clearly NOT eligible to be POTUS, no conspiracy theory it is FACT!
Simply put, being born of a Foreign Parent even if BHO were to have been born in the Capital Building during a Joint Session of Congress on the 4th of July he’d still NEVER have any possibility of being a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution.
However, the Birth Certificate and other issues are evidence of concealment, diversion and fraud and more reasons of BHO’s ineligibility.
“U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality: While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim on the person. A foreign country might claim you as a citizen of that country if (a) you were born there; (b) your parent or parents (and sometimes grandparents) are or were citizens of that country or (c) you are a naturalized U.S. citizen but are still considered a citizen under that country’s laws. (The oath you take when you are naturalized as a U.S. citizen (8 CFR 337.1) doesn’t mean the foreign country does not still regard you as a citizen of that country.)”
And at FAM 082 it states:
“Current U.S. nationality laws do not explicitly address dual nationality, but the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality is a ’status long recognized in the law’ and that ‘a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both.’ See Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717 (1952).”
WHY did our Forefather’s specify “Natural Born Citizen”?
The small but very important requirement in the U.S. Constitution, which requires that a U.S. President be ‘natural born’ on U.S. soil is also one of the “wisest requirements” and our forefathers put it in there for very good reason~ with foresight to prevent those with foreign interests and loyalties from corrupting our government.
Adolf Hitler, as example, was not a German born citizen. He was actually born in Austria. Having been to both those countries, I can personally attest to the great difference between Germans and Austrians. There are still many people who believe that had there been a similar requirement or law in Germany to our Constitution requirement for President (or Chancellor or leader) to be born on the land of the country, that WWII would not have occurred as it did and countless millions would not have died. Hitler completely ruined not only Europe, but especially Germany. He pushed it’s people and their Military forces to the brink of destruction, even when everyone (including himself) knew that there could be absolutely no victory for Germany. Why? Well, many feel it was because he was not a German in truth, He was an Austrian, and therefore he did ultimately not care about the German people or about Germany and all of her treasures, cities, etc…. although Hitler had an 84% approval rating with the public, due to the devastating Economic situation and his charismatic oratorical skills, the National Socialists did not have an overwhelming majority in the Reichstag. They simply were the largest party at the time in the German Parliament. Therefore, no other party was able to oppose their legislative pull…, and in a similar situation we’d also not be protected…
Many question BHO’s allegiances and patriotism, by his; refusal to wear the U.S. Flag lapel pin, refusal to salute the American Flag during the Anthem, canceling a scheduled Anthem at at least 1 of his events, and spending a lot of $ to repaint his campaign aircraft to remove the U.S. Flag from the tail fin, and canceling a scheduled visit to our injured troops in Germany… So in this case there is good cause and reason to ensure the intended purpose of the Constitutional requirement is upheld.
BHO visited Kenya as a Senator and endorsed the socialist party candidate (Odinga, his cousin) in their national Presidential elections. He did this because Odinga was/is his friend and fellow Luo tribesman (and cousin), of the same tribe BHO and his father were members of, and the existing Kenyan administration fired his father, Obama Sr. That is precisely why we need the President to be a real “natural born citizen”, without divided loyalties, hidden agendas and conflicts of interest. Also worth mention is that hundreds of citizens were killed by Obama’s cousin Odinga’s men when Odinga lost the the election.
Mr. Obama, Please act like a real man and STEP DOWN, you cannot resign nor be impeached because you were NEVER eligible for the position in the first place, it will be much worse for you if you require that you be removed…
More details at
http://www.ObamaNotQualified.com
Thank you.
Phil,
Here is the link:
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm
The basic and fundamental Crutch of the Birther’s argument, is the “Natural Born” argument due to admitted fact that Obama’s Father was Kenyan and never a US Citizen and that Obama’s citizenship status was controlled by Britain at the instant of his birth.
Birthers cencede that other issues such being born in Kenya and the Indoesian Factor are not as strong but nevertheless convey mistrust, deceit and deception on the part of Obama by not making available critical documentation which either prove and disprove these allegations.
Birthers believe their case is meritorious one since the Supreme Court has never affirmed the exact definition of a “Natural Born” citizen.
Since no court as ever considered this issue in terms a sitting POTUS, this argument is a new precident that must be resolved.
It is also noted that any citizenship considerations have always been made on persons who NOT the POTUS.
While the POTUS is a citizen, the POTUS inherently has powers and abilities very different from that of an ordinary citizen (Command in Chief for instance)
Hence, the allegiance and loyalty of a POTUS must be absolute (100% US Allegiance and Loyality).
Mounting evidence has shown that Obama simply does not posess 100% US Allegiance.
Addition, since no caselaw has ever been written on the consideration of the “Natural Born” citizenship status for a sitting POTUS, such a definition could constitutionaly and historically derived.
DNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Father was not a citizen, nor even an immigrant to the USA.
RNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in civilian hospital Colon Panama which was not in the Canal Zone.
RNC is posturing to foist another non-natural born citizen for President and fraud on the American people.
Gov Jindall of LA is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in USA but both parents were not citizens of the USA when he was born.
Natural Born Citizenship defined:
http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf
http://www.thebirthers.org/
Party politics are now trumping the Constitution. George Washington warned about this. Now we are seeing it. The Parties put their power above all, even the Constitution. Congress is controlled by the party leadership and they are now in CYA mode for the fraud both parties pulled on the American people in the 2008 presidential election.
RJ
john,
Do share the actual web URL.
Thanks,
-Phil
Yeah Right says:
June 2, 2009 at 9:45 am
This doesn’t end with the birth certificate. If BO or BS goes back to the drawing board and reimages his COLB — he and his fellow criminals will think it is over.
We MUST DEMAND EVERYTHING
You can demand all you want but that doesn’t mean that you will receive anything nor deserve it.
1. His adoption in Indonesia by his step father
Which does not exist since he was never adopted by his step-father
2. His school records at Punahau High School on Oahu (did he really graduate?).
a. What do his high school records have to do with his eligibility?
b. Most colleges (especially the prestigious ones that Obama went to) require proof of high school graduation for admittance.
3. His passport records — how did he visit Pakistan in 1980 when this country was off limits to American’s?
Same old Pakistan lie. yawn, has been disproved many times.
4. His Occidental College records (did he apply as an American citizen or Indonesian citizen?).
Has nothing to do with eligibility.
5. His Columbia College records (did he apply as an American citizen or Indonesian citizen?).
See previous answer.
6 His Harvard College records (did he apply as an American citizen or Indonesian citizen?).
See answer #4.
7. Did he graduate from any of these colleges or is this another fabrication?
You are kidding right?
8. Release of his BAR examine in Illinois — was he really a lawyer or was this just another fabrication?
Again, you are kidding, right? He taught constitutional law.
9. If he was a lawyer in Illinois, why was he disbarred?
Another big lie, where is the proof. Even that liar Berg who is lying about Michelle hasn’t told that whopper.
10. Release employee records from University of Chicago where he says he was a professor — was he really a professor or is this another fabrication.
Except there are pics of him teaching, but that’s probably part of the conspiracy right?
11. Release ALL Health records.
See #4.
12. Release ALL Financial records — how does one go from making less than $50k as an Illinois state rep to $2.5 million after only 2 years as a US Senator?
He wrote two best selling books and made money.
13. And the list goes on…….add your own.
Yep, you just have to be a creative liar or ask for stuff that has nothing to do with eligibility
Roderick says:
June 2, 2009 at 11:28 am
“Sifry said “conspiracy nuts who think the president isn’t legitimately a US citizen”. Nobody said he wasn’t a US citizen, they said he is not constitutionally eligible to serve as president or vice-president.”
I would say your comment is entirely disingenuous because every active “he’s not eligible” lawsuit accuses that he is not a US citizen, or that he is an Indonesian citizen, or that he is a Kenyan citizen. He is accused of being an “illegal alien” in several of the lawsuit filings.
Two weeks ago, “he’s not eligible”ers were insisting the BC was not important because no matter where he was born he was not eligible because both parents must be citizens. Now this argument has faded and the BC is of interest again. Unfortunately for ya’ll, no matter where in the world he was born, he IS a natural born citizen and eligible to be President, and since of June of 2008, no “he’s not eligible”er has yet to prove otherwise. The preponderance of the evidence shows he was born at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
nyc conservative gal says:
June 2, 2009 at 9:58 am
“It is documented on his Indonesian school records that he was an Indonesian citizen. It is also documented that he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 when US travel was not permitted there.”
Two “he’s not eligible” myths that have been proven false.
1. There was no ban on travel to Pakistan by US citizens in 1981. There was a travel advisory that a visa was needed, tourists could obtain a visa at the border, non-tourist visitors needed a visa before arrival, visas were good for only 30 days. This has been confirmed by the State Dept.
2. The piece of handwritten paper purported to be Obama’s Indonesian school registration does not say Obama was an Indonesian citizen.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13573753/Obama-School-Record-as-Indonesian-Citizen
Other things widely stated about this document that are false:
- That Obama signed it.
- That it proves Obama was adopted by Soetoro.
- That it proves his name was not always Barack.
This piece of paper would not likely be admitted as evidence in a court proceeding because its source and its accuracy cannot be proven. Someone got it from someone who says they got it from Obama’s school.
Interestingly, Senator Inhofe’s office asked to be sent the actual numbered documents from the State Dept that show a travel ban and the documentation of the Indonesian law that say non-citizens can’t be registered for school. Orly Taitz, one of the principle attorneys for “he’s not eligible” cases didn’t offer to send copies to him right away. Instead, she asked her readers if they could find them. Not real encouraging that one of the main attorneys doesn’t have the evidence that proves accusations made publicly in dossiers posted online and in court records.
earl said:
That is 100% true. I like how you conveniently left off the ‘Natural born’ from the citizenship statement you made. You are finally rounding the turn, earl. You are now admitting ‘citizen of the United States’ is different than Natural Born Citizen. They are 2 completely different Constitutional entities and can not be lumped together or equated to each other, thanks to the ‘or naturalized’ clause in Amendment XIV.
So we shouldn’t care about the COLB, birth certificate, or passport because none of them satisfy Article II requirements for Natural Born Citizenship. In fact NONE of them can even be used to prove Natural Born Citizenship. Otherwise people like the governor of California would be considered NBC by its admittance.
Soetoro has yet to prove he’s eligible aside from the DnC saying ‘we promise he’s eligible because we said so. So there…’
This may be old news but O may retire in Kenya:
As a son of a Kenyan father, I know that Section 90 of your
constitution bestows upon me automatic citizenship. In the fullness of
time, who knows, Michelle and I may decide to come and retire in the
land of my father.
http://www.friendsforpeaceinafrica.org/schools/358-memo-from-obama-to-his-local-supporters-allafricacom.pdf
Here’s a great site that explains the Birther’s Movement and their position on Obama’s Elgibility.
Quite Objective and attempts to give Obots some benefit of doubt about Obama’s Elgibility.
They Make the fundamental Key Point:
“In Minor v. Happersett (1874), the Supreme Court said that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are, without doubt, a natural born citizen. In the same case, the Supreme Court also said that, if you were born in the United States and one of your parents was not a U.S. citizen when you were born, your natural born citizenship is in doubt. So far, the Supreme Court has not resolved this doubt because, until now, there has never been any need to do so.”
Well Researched.
nyc conservative gal:
1) Under American law, specifically the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act it does not matter what his Indonesian school records say. He cannot have given up his American citizenship as a child. YOu can read the law here:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/1952_Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_66Statxx_TitleIII_Chapter3.pdf
2) US travel has never been restricted to Pakistan in all of history, let alone in 1981. You can find the actual 1981 travel advisory here:
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf
I went to main page and this the heading:
How can we strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness by making government more transparent, participatory, and collaborative?
The problem is that most people, including our Govt, seem to think America is a DEMOCRACY. America is not a Democracy. We a Constitutional Republic. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are turning this country into a Tyranny of Majority or Mob rule. Our Founding Fathers abhorred this type of govt and shed their blood to prevent this country from becoming one.
We have a President is in name only or a “titular head” under the Constitution. Our Representatives are in charge of admistering the affair of Govt. The Constitutiona only give these people limited power.
Now if we keep calling our Country as a Democracy, we are in fact giving these people unlimited power.
Have we gone back to the Pre-1776 era?
It continues to baffle me that those of us on the Internet who have serious questions about this President’s eligibility are not only castigated with ad hominem pejoratives — “birthers” — but are basically being disinvited from sharing our views on the eligibility situation.>>
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Phil I guess you haven’t been around that long.
I gave up on trying to have a reasonable political dialogue with the left on the day that Angela Davis spoke at SUNY at Buffalo in the 60s.
They just aren’t reasonable people. The majority of them no matter what their ages are still emotionally children who can’t stand to have someone say no to them or even borrow their favorite toys.
I suggest you do the same. They aren’t worth the time because you can’t have an intelligent adult conversation with them.
You have to move pretty close to the left of center to find any liberals that will intelligently discuss a point without trying to trash you especially when they know they are losing.
Sifry said “conspiracy nuts who think the president isn’t legitimately a US citizen”. Nobody said he wasn’t a US citizen, they said he is not constitutionally eligible to serve as president or vice-president.
NewEnglandPatriot says:
June 1, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I have gotten on the OpenGov website three times and tried to register to leave a comment. Three times it has said that it has sent a link to my email account, and all I have to do is click on it to activate it. However, when I check my email, there is nothing there. I think they’re trying to slow down the traffic on the birth certificate issue.
I’m actually shocked they asked. What are they doing to do about it now that millions of us have reached the boiling point that we have a usurper in office? They can’t show us the “real” birth certificate because it doesn’t show an American birth. Have they obtained the one “under seal” at the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya?
I’d love to see that.
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The same thing happened to me Patriot????
Earl says:
“It is likely the President has had a passport since 1967 when he moved to Indonesia with his mother”
It is documented on his Indonesian school records that he was an Indonesian citizen. It is also documented that he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 when US travel was not permitted there.
He has refused to release his passport, along with his BC, and college records. Illiegals forge documents all the time. So, he may HAVE a passport, but that does not mean he is a natural born US citizen.
…continued:
1. His adoption in Indonesia by his step father
2. His school records at Punahau High School on Oahu (did he really graduate?).
3. His passport records — how did he visit Pakistan in 1980 when this country was off limits to American’s?
4. His Occidental College records (did he apply as an American citizen or Indonesian citizen?).
5. His Columbia College records (did he apply as an American citizen or Indonesian citizen?).
6 His Harvard College records (did he apply as an American citizen or Indonesian citizen?).
7. Did he graduate from any of these colleges or is this another fabrication?
8. Release of his BAR examine in Illinois — was he really a lawyer or was this just another fabrication?
9. If he was a lawyer in Illinois, why was he disbarred?
10. Release employee records from University of Chicago where he says he was a professor — was he really a professor or is this another fabrication.
11. Release ALL Health records.
12. Release ALL Financial records — how does one go from making less than $50k as an Illinois state rep to $2.5 million after only 2 years as a US Senator?
13. And the list goes on…….add your own.
BO or BS whichever initials he uses he still stinks! But he did fulfill his campaign promise of Hope and Change:
Change Washington politics to Chicagoland politics and Hope you don’t get caught!
This doesn’t end with the birth certificate. If BO or BS goes back to the drawing board and reimages his COLB — he and his fellow criminals will think it is over.
We MUST DEMAND EVERYTHING!
Folks shouldn’t JUST emphasize the BC, but ALL sealed documents re: his past – esp. the Occidental college ones and who footed the bills for the other “higher” education. If they forge another BC, there should be demand also established to see whether even later on in his life he received some kind of scholarship due to being a foreign student. That other side of the coin is his possibly now being an illegal alien as well. Go for everything beyond the label, “birthers”, only!
Lovey says:
June 1, 2009 at 10:38 pm
“Does the pres need a passport for all these overseas trips? Surely he would need to produce the official birth certificate to obtain a passport. Does anyone know the legal answers?”
It is likely the President has had a passport since 1967 when he moved to Indonesia with his mother, His mother would have presented his birth certificate when she applied. Why would you think that a man who has been a law school graduate, attorney, state senator, US Senator and now President wouldn’t have a passport? I have had a passport since I was 16, and I’m just a regular person.
By the way, once you have a passport, it is equivalent to a birth certificate to prove birth and citizenship because it was based on the birth certificate. That’s why it’s good to have one whether you think you’re going to travel out of the country or not: the passport has the two key pieces of information that confirm your date of birth and citizenship. Every situation where a birth certificate is required, passport is accepted. Why would you want to use your passport instead of a BC? Because depending on where you live or were born, they are easier to replace if lost or damaged. They are also now less complicated to get because most post offices are trained to assist you in filling out and sending the application.
But the answer to your real question is Yes, he has a passport, so the State Dept has a copy of his birth certificate.
Once again, I find myself forced to ask,
“Now have we seen enough?”
On several occasions I have asked, what is it going to take for average Americans to wake up and stand up? And once again, I must point out that whatever it is, it hasn’t happened yet!
http://jaghunters.blogspot.com/
That is the problem people.
He is not a patriot.
He doesn’t give a damn about the American people.
He only cares about what he wants. He will continue to drag this country into the abyss of shameless degradation.
Caesar Nero IS a very dangerous man.
Maybe Farah can find out where the website tzar lives and be sure to get a billboard up in his neighborhood soon…also Gibbs would be good.
We have this along with Bill Board Blitz idea.
Now we just need to work on the Media Blitz that Orly has suggested.
Everyone should work on getting on the air with Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaug and press this issue on them.
I have gotten on the OpenGov website three times and tried to register to leave a comment. Three times it has said that it has sent a link to my email account, and all I have to do is click on it to activate it. However, when I check my email, there is nothing there. I think they’re trying to slow down the traffic on the birth certificate issue.
I’m actually shocked they asked. What are they doing to do about it now that millions of us have reached the boiling point that we have a usurper in office? They can’t show us the “real” birth certificate because it doesn’t show an American birth. Have they obtained the one “under seal” at the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya?
I’d love to see that.
Keep the comments coming. Inputs thounsands of them everyone. It seems we are striking a nerve and sore spot in the Obama adminstration. Don’t pass up that opportunity. COMMENT! COMMENT! COMMENT!
Does the pres need a passport for all these overseas trips? Surely he would need to produce the official birth certificate to obtain a passport. Does anyone know the legal answers?