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Jury Update: Online Grand Jury Indicts Obama for Fraud, Treason

Via AmericanGrandJury.org, editor Bob Campbell posted the following from yesterday evening’s online activities:

“NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON”

(United States of America) – April 29th 2009 – At 8 P.M, ET American Grand Jury convened and conducted a hearing with regard to CRIMINAL activity, complaints and allegations presented before said Jury.

After reviewing the evidence and voting, the 32 member American Grand Jury handed down the presentment(s) recommending that person(s) known as Barack Obama, aka: Barack Obama, Jr., aka: Barack Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro; aka: Barry Obama; aka: Barack H. Obama, aka: Barack Obama II, presumed President of the United States, be tried in Criminal Court for charges of fraud (eligibility) and treason.

Said Grand Jury was convened under the power and authority vested with the people as guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States of America, Amendent 5 of the Bill of Rights.

The American Grand Jury was served by people from different States within the Union, said people being citizens as were sworn under Oath as to Eligibility for and Service in behalf of the Grand Jury:

The American Grand Jury used established public evidence and testimony recognized by expert witnesses with a long professional history of forensic experience in handing down the presentment(s).

Caveat: Grand Jury hearings are secret and all proceedings will remain confidential until released by the courts.

For an unofficial review and summary of the issues that is available in the public domain see: AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

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~~~~~~~~ Comment by American Grand Jury ~~~~~~~~

Never in my lifetime have I been associated with such a motivated group of people. When we put this jury together we went overboard trying to be impartial. These members found out early on, we never asked where they came from, what their political views were, how they made their living or what color, creed or religion they subscribed to.

Personally, I figured this Grand Jury hearing would have a decent turnout and a good voting margin, but nothing like this:

Out of 33 registered jury members (all sworn under oath as to eligibity and service) we had only one person unable to attend the final meeting. The final 32 member roster gave us a unanimous vote. And they worked their butts off to make the decision. Even though they were able to study and review the evidence on their own time in the password protected website, the effort these folks put into this jury was fastastic. We had over 1500 pieces of communication (surveys, chat messages, jury foreman messages) that transpired between the jury members on the website. These people worked close to 8 days in advance to get ready for the April 29th deadline. Their work paid off. Within 30 minutes of convening the final hearing a 100% vote was returned.

Tell you what folks, this is America, and these jury members right now are speaking for America and they are mad and they want action from their lawmakers and the courts. Obama has been presented (indicted) by this Jury on two MAJOR counts of criminal behavior. It is now our duty to get this indictment in the hands of as many court jurisdictions in this United States of America as possible. [emphases original]

As I’ve mentioned many times before on my site, while it is all well and good that private groupings of people are getting together to sift through evidence in order to formally cull together a presentation to be handed to the authorities, the next step will be to get that authority figure to make a move with the data.

There are many who oppose this effort that think these things will be going nowhere. However, I think the “going nowhere” leading conclusion is a time-based one. As far as I’ve seen with the current Administration, it is simply a matter of time before people in authority will begin questioning what’s going on with arguably the most left-wing occupant of the White House to the point that they will be willing to seriously consider formally-aggregated facts.

A current listing of common law grand jury updates can be found here.

-Phil

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53 Responses to “Jury Update: Online Grand Jury Indicts Obama for Fraud, Treason

  • 1
    Greg Goss
    April 30th, 2009 10:01

    I firmly believe that politics have not played a part in these indictments. The eligibility issue culminates from a long campaign and has continued to gain strength after the election. I will concede that maybe more people might look at the eligibility issue closer because of politics but that does not appear to be the driving factor of the grand jury.

  • 2
    john
    April 30th, 2009 10:45

    The ultimate goal is try to get this known with the Main Stream Media.

    Once that happens, Obama is finished.

  • 3
    Aristotle the Hun
    April 30th, 2009 12:18

    Darn it Phil, this is not a common law Grand Jury. This Grand Jury was empaneled under the auspices of the Constitution of the United States of America.

  • 4
    Linda
    April 30th, 2009 13:22

    Wait a minute—61% of Americans are supportive of Obama, while 81% LIKE him—so this is not a “majority” of Americans, it’s the 21% who support the Repubs.

  • 5
    JeffM
    April 30th, 2009 13:26

    Their due diligence will be the success of these GJ’s. It shows real effort to understand the overall issue and deliver a clear decision. There will be much resistance at first, but like the tea parties, these juries will begin to pick up momentum.

    This one should present well upon the Justice Department. Whether or not the justices comply with the Grand Jury process is another matter. The amount of corruption in the Department of Justice in politically appointed positions is staggering. I won’t go into details but rest assured, we’re in a lot of hot water here.

    We must begin to threaten to vote justices out of office when they fail to comply with the U.S. Constitution.

  • 6
    Linda
    April 30th, 2009 13:33

    Just stating facts…….

  • 7
    Greg Goss
    April 30th, 2009 13:44

    Linda, go here for the facts. Daily Presidential Tracking Poll This is a poll of “voters”. Those are people that count and should be counted. When you look at a poll of “adults” you have no idea who you are talking to.

  • 8
    Greg Goss
    April 30th, 2009 13:46

    JeffM,
    Failure to comply with a presentment or act on a indictment from a grand jury results in contempt charges.

  • 9
    Jacqlyn Smith
    April 30th, 2009 13:48

    Linda says:
    April 30, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Wait a minute—61% of Americans are supportive of Obama, while 81% LIKE him—so this is not a “majority” of Americans, it’s the 21% who support the Repubs.

    **********************************************************************************

    Linda—-This is not a popularity contest…..if he is not eligible he needs to step down and NOW….just because he is liked under the guise of FRAUD…doesn’t make it okay to do!!!!! Wake Up and take off the “rose colored glasses” my friend!!

  • 10
    john
    April 30th, 2009 14:08

    You need to organize a group of supporters to call the Sean Hannity Show, Laura Ingram Show, and the Rush Limbuag Show to get on the air and to present this vital informatioin to them.

  • 11
    Greg Goss
    April 30th, 2009 14:20

    John, The talk shows and news organization were all sent emails with this information 1st thing this morning along with the department of Justice and other government organizations.

  • 12
    HistorianDude
    April 30th, 2009 14:27

    1. Contrary to Aristotle the Hun’s assertion, this was not “empaneled under the auspices of the Constitution.” It was constituted without any passage of Constitutional authority from one of the three (and only three) branches of Government. As such, it has no more legal juice than a Tupperware Party.

    2. Nobody takes seriously any claims regarding the “impartiality” of this or any other “citizens” or “common law” or “national” grand jury. It is breathtakingly droll that anybody bothers to pretend otherwise.

    3. As to the “momentum” engendered by the tea parties, American support of the president and his policies continues to build. The increasing trend of Americans believing the US in “on the right track” that commenced with the Nov. 4th election continued without a pause right through the April 15th Tea Parties: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/

  • 13
    Obot 1024
    April 30th, 2009 15:24

    “Linda, go here for the facts. Daily Presidential Tracking Poll This is a poll of “voters”. Those are people that count and should be counted. When you look at a poll of “adults” you have no idea who you are talking to.”

    ROFLMAO!

    Rasmussen overwieghts Republicans gaining the conservative friendly answers he and FoxNews seek. For instance he had to game his own poll on the tea parties to claim that a majority of Americans supported them.

    He claims GOPers are 33% of the electorate.

    Self id’ed GOPers is respected polling groups that aren’t ideological shills like Pew has self id’ed GOPer in the low 20′s.

  • 14
    Benaiah
    April 30th, 2009 15:30

    “The Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof… shall be the supreme law of the land”.

    Whether or not Obama is “the man of lawlessness” is not a topic for TRSOL. However, the topic of “lawlessness” is appropriate for TRSOL.

    The Constitution of the United States of America states, “We the people of the United States, in order to …establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, …and secure the blessings of liberty…, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    But for the Constitution of the United States of America, there is NO “justice, …domestic tranquility, …common defense, [or]…blessings of liberty”.

    The legislative “powers” and judicial “power” flow from the Constitution of the United States, as does “all privileges and immunities of [ for the] citizens in the several states”. Hence, the life of America, “justice, …domestic tranquility, …common defense, [and]…blessings of liberty”, flows directly from the the Constitution of the United States.

    Thus, if the Constitution of the United States is deemed obsolete, and is not defended by “We the People”, the United States of America will become a country of “lawlessness”.

    US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas says, “…the framers …understood that for liberty to exist the populace needed to be educated enough to understand liberty and to be able to defend liberty”.

    Hence,if the populace is not educated enough to understand that their liberties flow directly from the the Constitution of the United States, they will be apathetic at best when the Constitution is threatened with extinction.

    If the populace is ignorant of the fact that they are personally threatened whenever the Constitution of the United States is threatened, they will not “defend liberty”.

    Please understand, “We the People” are in imminent danger of losing “all privilieges”, which are guaranteed by the the Constitution of the United States, if we remain silent, and allow Obama to continue to usurp the Office of the President.

    But for the Constitution of the United States,”We the People” have NO rights…

    2 Thessalonians 2:3
    Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

    The Constitution of the United States of America

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Article I

    Section 1 – All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Section 7 – Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it.

    Section 8 – The Congress shall have power to…

    Article II

    Section 1 – No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

    Article III

    Section 1 – The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

    Section 3 – The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;

    Article IV

    Section 1 – Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

    Section 2 – The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

    Section 4 – The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

    Article VI

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

  • 15
    earl
    April 30th, 2009 17:33

    Greg Goss says:
    April 30, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “Failure to comply with a presentment or act on a indictment from a grand jury results in contempt charges.”

    Actually, failure to comply results in exactly nothing. These presentments carry no more weight than a proclamation by the local bridge club.

  • 16
    The Law
    April 30th, 2009 18:28

    Before we are done AK BO will have outstanding warrants for his arrest across the United States. Every time he leaves the confines of the White House, he will be subject to arrest.

  • 17
    JeffM
    April 30th, 2009 19:03

    Greg Goss said:

    JeffM,
    Failure to comply with a presentment or act on a indictment from a grand jury results in contempt charges.

    Very true. This assumes, however, that the DoJ complies with the Constitution and and does not attempt to shoehorn the AGJ into the Federal Grand Jury covered in U.S. Code Title 18, Rule 6. We already know the American Grand Jury is ruled by the U.S. Constitution and not U.S. Code.

    Somehow I’m sure the justices will device some kind of magical way to stonewall these grand juries by relying on U.S. code for criminal cases, not quo warranto ones like what we are witnessing here. Even if they do allow it under Rule 6, the defendant or court will make an attempt to toss out the Grand Jury under Section (b) (objection to Grand Jury or Grand Juror). Any slip-up in the selection, operation, and recording of the American Grand Jury and they’ll do everything they can to toss the indictment out.

    Unfortunately for the DoJ they have already failed to comply with Title 18, Rule 6 Section (a) stating:

    “(a) Summoning a Grand Jury.
    (1) In General. When the public interest so requires, the court must order that one or more grand juries be summoned. A grand jury must have 16 to 23 members, and the court must order that enough legally qualified persons be summoned to meet this requirement.”

    Public interest so requires a federal grand jury for Mr. Soetoro for obvious reasons. And that will make it hard for them to downplay the upcoming indictments when there are dozens of them. Citizens don’t need to ask the government for permission to organize a Grand Jury. But, they do need to follow the rules of engagement or they risk objection and forfeiture.

  • 18
    brygenon
    April 30th, 2009 19:43

    Greg Goss said:

    Failure to comply with a presentment or act on a indictment from a grand jury results in contempt charges.

    Failure to comply with a make-believe grand jury presentment results in make-believe contempt charges.

  • 19
    Roderick
    April 30th, 2009 20:11

    Question: How many other presidents have been faced with Citizen Grand Juries convening to look at evidence of criminal activity on their part and how many other presidents have had these same Citizen Grand Juries lppking into whether or not they are eligble to hold that office? Answer : None. Conclusion: ‘bama and cnn the brainwashing channel are faking poll results in order to dissuade people from looking into his criminal past and he the imposter and wife have reached the point of desperation in trying laboriously to get all of the people of America to give up on this cointry and show allegiance to kenya a little third world backward country afflicted by AIDS. Stay tuned as I will return with more…

  • 20
    ch
    April 30th, 2009 20:35

    Linda, your “facts” are quite curious, what is your source for your statistics? Also, to have a goal of getting into the mainstream media is futile. Any acknowledgement of them will be mockery, lies and twisted facts. Buy the mainstream before you get into the mainstream media. The mainstream is headed over a cliff, better to stay close to the banks of the media river. If these juries issues subpoenas which are legal, and there is no response, then a lawsuit challenge can make its way through the court system. I hope they hold an open jury at the Natinoal Press Conference room in Washington, or have the jury foreman gather there and go over the results publicly, like when the lawyers met there early on. That would be fantastic! Educate America on our actual rights to control an out-of-control government. A 4th of July Grand Jury in the National Press Room….that would be nice. Maybe Linda could get her 81% to attend and listen in. They could sit in the front row, have the entire row, so they can ask questions. Transparent, just like their Obama.

  • 21
    earl
    April 30th, 2009 22:35

    Roderick says:
    April 30, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    “Question: How many other presidents have been faced with Citizen Grand Juries convening to look at evidence of criminal activity on their part ”

    Most recently, George W Bush. google “citizen grand juries 911″ and you will find dozens of indictments of Bush for 911. This is not an original idea.

  • 22
    Sharon 2
    April 30th, 2009 22:55

    Someone pointed out that Obama used the phrase “five pillars” in his recent 100 days speech and that the phrase “five pillars” has importance in the Muslim faith.

    “It’s a foundation built upon five pillars that will grow our economy and make this new century another American century:…” (Obama)

    I checked for myself. Google shows pretty quickly the five pillars of Islam. I learn something new every day …

    The ‘Five Pillars’ of Islam are the foundation of Muslim life:

    * Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;
    * Establishment of the daily prayers;
    * Concern for and almsgiving to the needy;
    * Self-purification through fasting; and
    * The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

  • 23
    brygenon
    April 30th, 2009 23:02

    Roderick asked,

    Question: How many other presidents have been faced with Citizen Grand Juries convening to look at evidence of criminal activity on their part [...]

    His predecessor did:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptcIMroOYQg

    Recognize anyone?

  • 24
    Chance
    April 30th, 2009 23:45

    There are enough smart people, be it Lawyers, or Officers of the Military, or an enraged populace, who will come across the “paperwork” that sinks AKA Obama.

    There are just too many people involved with “sealing” a lie this big. All it takes is one person that possesses the “one missing link”…..and the lid is blown completely off the case.

    As for Main Stream Media being involved….forget about it. They are owned by the very people that AKA Obama, represents directly.
    How else could you explain 18 Bildeberg Group Members in his cabinet, 15 Council on Foreign Relations Members, and 13 Tri-Lateralists???? Most of them being dual and triple members.

    Government Appointees as members of private organizations? That meet privately to discuss U.S. Policy? That in and of itself is breaking the law, or unconstitutional.

    Its time America put her foot down on unconstitutional practices by our elected officials, isn’t it? Hasn’t this Government behind the veil gone on long enough??

    They’ve infiltrated our Government, our Military, our Judiciary. How else could you explain no Judge listening to the AKA Obama eligibility case based on merit?? Because the Judges are all following “orders”, as in a Chain of Command. And that ladies, and gentlemen, should serve as another slap in our faces.

    We can’t get a judge to hear a perfectly valid, due process case, on
    Presidential Eligibility for the most powerful position in the Free World? What’s next??? It just defies comprehension.

  • 25
    Jacqlyn Smith
    May 1st, 2009 01:15

    Does anyone else here think it is rather peculiar that Eric Holder…AG would be out of the country at this time?? I believe he went to England!! Do you think he is on a mission for the IMPOSTER??? I am highly suspicious!

  • 26
    Natural Born Citizen
    May 1st, 2009 01:45

    I think that it would be a great education to the general public, if one of these Grand Juries video taped the entire proceedure and all the testimonies and evidence, and put it on DVD: they could then get the message out and effectively raise the issue nationwide. Esp. if some cable channel aired it nationwide….

  • 27
    Poppet
    May 1st, 2009 02:38

    These are very interesting statutes cited at 8 USC 1481.
    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1481.html

    However take a look at (2382 through 2391) click previous and next.

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002383—-000-.html
    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002384—-000-.html
    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002385—-000-.html
    also,
    FYI: 18 U.S.C. 4 imposes a legal obligation to report all Federal Felonies to an officer in the Judicial, Civil or Military authorities of the United States (Federal Government):

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/4.html

    (Failure to do so is another Federal Felony!)
    (read’s as follow’s)
    Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    These are just a few that Obama/? and his cronies should be charged with.

    He should be charged with fraud and impersonation as an average
    person breaking the law in any jurisdiction.

    A 7/11 Store could bust him for showing a “fake” ID.

    This should be a simple matter………… Dan Smith, NY

  • 28
    The Law
    May 1st, 2009 08:36

    “Somehow I’m sure the justices will device some kind of magical way to stonewall these grand juries by relying on U.S. code for criminal cases, not quo warranto ones like what we are witnessing here.”

    I’m sure that you don’t have a clue about Criminal Law, Quo Warranto or SCOTUS and you can’t spell or express your “thoughts” intelligently.

  • 29
    AnotherReader
    May 1st, 2009 08:47

    While I am all in favor of investigating Obama’s eligibility and presenting the truth to the people. (Whatever it may be). This Citizen Grand Jury thing is all bit silly in my opinion. What is the point?

    How and with what evidence did they indict? All of the real evidence to do such a thing is all locked away. This Citizen Grand Jury certainly did not have access to any of it. All this does is validate the opinions of those people who marginalize this whole issue.

  • 30
    Phil
    May 1st, 2009 08:56

    AnotherReader,

    While I am all in favor of investigating Obama’s eligibility and presenting the truth to the people. (Whatever it may be). This Citizen Grand Jury thing is all bit silly in my opinion. What is the point?

    How and with what evidence did they indict? All of the real evidence to do such a thing is all locked away. This Citizen Grand Jury certainly did not have access to any of it. All this does is validate the opinions of those people who marginalize this whole issue.

    The point of such private gatherings is to cull evidence that is available into a formal presentation to be delivered to the authorities for further investigation. This would be akin to any individual passing along paperwork to an FBI agent or US Attorney.

    -Phil

  • 31
    The Law
    May 1st, 2009 09:05

    What is the point? Upholding our Constitution.

    How and with what evidence did they indict? You must be confusing Grand Juries with Petit Juries.

    All of the real evidence to do such a thing is all locked away. WRONG!

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  • 33
    Mac
    May 1st, 2009 14:16

    brygenon,

    For your information, the GRAND JURY, is the fourth branch of government called, “WE THE PEOPLE.” It is not by any means a “make believe” jury as you seem fond of saying. For more information and an education on this very real and important branch of our government, go to:
    http://content.usatoday.com/topics/article/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/Judges/Antonin+Scalia/086t8hH7Ok0sz/1

  • 34
    NewEnglandPatriot
    May 1st, 2009 19:56

    To HistorianDude:

    Read two articles by Alan Stang at http://www.newswithviews.com. Mr. Stang was a producer for Mike Wallace and has written 17 books about various aspects of government.

    The first article about the Common Law Grand Juries, details the history of these bodies from colonial times to the present. While CLGJs have not been used much in recent times, right through the 1880s, they were empaneled on a regular basis to investigate suspected wrongdoing on the part of public officials. They also investigated petty and larger crimes. If and when these juries reached a conclusion of suspected guilt, they would prepare a “presentment” which was then turned over to a law enforcement official.

    There are many instances in Mr. Stang’s article of documented action taken as a result of the CLGJ’s presentment. That is where the term “presentment” comes from in the Fifth Amendment. The “grand jury” of today is nothing like what existed in colonial times nor what the Founders intended. The government was not supposed to be involved in Common Law Grand Juries because often, it was the government that was being investigated.

    Over time, power was taken away from the people by zealous prosecutors who wanted to control the courtroom. It became accepted practice that a prosecutor or judge had to preside over grand juries, presenting the accusation to the jurors. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The CLGJs convening now to examine evidence are doing their constitutional duty by looking into a very serious matter concerning the highest-ranking public official in the land who also claims to be the Commander-in-Chief. It is not the role of the grand jury to make an arrest; rather, its role is to present its findings to a recognized authority. In the state of Texas, it is illegal for that authority to refuse to act on the presentment of a grand jury.

  • 35
    AnotherReader
    May 1st, 2009 22:17

    I am for upholding the Constitution, but they can not convict without access to all of the actual documentation. I.E. Real Birth Certificate, and other records that could be used to either prove or disprove his eligibility. Outside of that, they don’t have any more than can be found on the Internet.

    I have seen and researched all of inconsistencies, and I firmly believe there is reason to investigate it. But I have not seen anything that suggests this has any legal standing.

    If there are merits to this, then would someone please point out documentation of it somewhere. Something that is not an opinion or conjecture.

  • 36
    brygenon
    May 2nd, 2009 06:00

    Phil wrote,

    The point of such private gatherings is to cull evidence that is available into a formal presentation to be delivered to the authorities for further investigation.

    Which leaves open the question of why such private gatherings choose to play this game where they pretend to be grand juries. No one is trying to take away your right to assemble and petition the government, but why would anyone think that playing make-believe is the way to get taken more seriously?

    And if you’ve doubted my remarks about birthers refusing to face reality, just look at some of the comments here.

  • 37
    Phil
    May 2nd, 2009 11:04

    brygenon,

    Which leaves open the question of why such private gatherings choose to play this game where they pretend to be grand juries. No one is trying to take away your right to assemble and petition the government, but why would anyone think that playing make-believe is the way to get taken more seriously?

    For the simple fact of the matter that if the press isn’t going to question this President, if the federal officeholders aren’t going to question this President, if the States — until lately — aren’t going to question this President, and if the Bill of Rights holds true as being a part of the US Constitution, then the following holds true:

    It is up to the People of these united States to begin taking perfectly lawful action — as you’ve just admitted — into their own hands and begin the process of holding our government accountable.

    Furthermore, this is a perfectly moral, ethical and legitimate thing for the People to rise up and begin questioning their government. As I have repeated said and have recently posted, it is actually the duty and obligation of the People to do such behavior, else they have only themselves to blame when the government becomes so all-powerful and all-encroaching into individual liberties that it cannot be stopped.

    -Phil

  • 38
    Author
    May 2nd, 2009 17:27

    OK, now that the jury has indited this jerk. Who is going to go into the WH and arrest the ass.
    Do you have any U. S. Atty’s that are willing to file the inditment?

    Sounds to me ya all need Sheriff Joe in AZ. There is one man that has the balls to do it.

  • 39
    Aristotle the Hun
    May 3rd, 2009 00:43

    Opinions? Lots of trash thinking here. I thought opinions were expected to have some substance and reson behind them.

    Here, try this:

    Read here: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/pouring

    And here: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-to-

    And certainly here: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-oba

  • 40
    brygenon
    May 3rd, 2009 02:35

    Phil said,

    It is up to the People of these united States to begin taking perfectly lawful action — as you’ve just admitted — into their own hands and begin the process of holding our government accountable.

    I’ll try again. They can present their opinions as a petition, which it is, from a citizen’s group, which they are, or as a pretend indictment from a make-believe grand jury. Why choose the latter over the former?

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    earl
    May 3rd, 2009 08:10

    Author says:
    May 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    “OK, now that the jury has indited this jerk. Who is going to go into the WH and arrest the ass.
    Do you have any U. S. Atty’s that are willing to file the inditment?”

    1. No one is going to arrest President Obama.
    2. No US Attorney is going to file an indictment against the President of the United States.

    Presidents are immune from indictment and criminal prosecution while in office because it “would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.”
    http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

  • 42
    Pete
    May 3rd, 2009 14:04

    -Phil
    It is up to the People of these united States to begin taking perfectly lawful action — as you’ve just admitted — into their own hands and begin the process of holding our government accountable.
    Furthermore, this is a perfectly moral, ethical and legitimate thing for the People to rise up and begin questioning their government. As I have repeated said and have recently posted, it is actually the duty and obligation of the People to do such behavior, else they have only themselves to blame when the government becomes so all-powerful and all-encroaching into individual liberties that it cannot be stopped.–

    Phil, you are correct in your statement. My concern is, and has been, that the People will be forced to act to hold our government accountable by rising up. The problem is that in states like Oklahoama and Texas, ‘rising up’ has a different meaning than in California and New York.

  • 43
    The Law
    May 3rd, 2009 18:55

    “Sounds to me ya all need Sheriff Joe in AZ. There is one man that has the balls to do it.”

    Maybe all are not as gutsy as Sheriff but I know for a fact that there are law enforcement officers across the Country that are ready, willing and able to enforce these indictments.

  • 44
    Roderick
    May 3rd, 2009 21:33

    Earl is once again incorrect. The president can be brought up on impeachment proceedings as Clinton was brought up in 1998. So there goes your argument out the window Earl. Better luck next time and nice try.

  • 45
    brygenon
    May 4th, 2009 02:04

    Roderick wrote:

    Earl is once again incorrect. The president can be brought up on impeachment proceedings as Clinton was brought up in 1998.

    The first sentence above is false. The second is, in a theoretical sense, true.

    So there goes your argument out the window Earl. Better luck next time and nice try.

    Roderick, try reading what Earl actually wrote, and maybe check the ref he provided. The answers are in front of you; the only question is whether you will face them.

  • 46
    brygenon
    May 4th, 2009 02:17

    Someone pretending he’s “The Law” wrote:

    Maybe all are not as gutsy as Sheriff but I know for a fact that there are law enforcement officers across the Country that are ready, willing and able to enforce these indictments.

    Don’t take your grand jury game too far. The Secret Service agents and Marines that protect the president — they ain’t playin’.

  • 47
    earl
    May 4th, 2009 07:38

    Roderick says:
    May 3, 2009 at 9:33 pm
    Impeachment by Congress is a civil process, not a criminal process. Impeachment doesn’t result in a jail term. If removed from office via Impeachment the former President can then be prosecuted for the crimes for which he was impeached. You are correct that the only way to remove President Obama is by Impeachment and Conviction by the Congress. I am correct that no one is going to arrest and try President Obama, but it’s a nice little fantasy for the anti-Obama folks.

  • 48
    Phil
    May 4th, 2009 11:08

    brygenon,

    Don’t take your grand jury game too far. The Secret Service agents and Marines that protect the president — they ain’t playin’.

    I find it absolutely amusing that on the one hand you want to dismiss the grand juries as being quaint private gatherings but on the other hand treat them with so much seriousness that somehow the Secret Service — and the Marines? Mmmmkay — would get involved…. for what?

    Ah, maybe there’s something from DHS I yet missed — individuals getting together to disagree with the current President. I think that’s considered “extremist” or “fringe,” do I have that about right?

    If so, I suppose you ought to file something against this blog. But wait — if you do that, you won’t have anything over which to fantasize going forward, now, will you?

    -Phil

  • 49
    Roderick
    May 4th, 2009 19:23

    brygenon: Both sentences are correct and you can’t deny that Clinton was brought up on impeachment. The ref has no basis. Nobody is above the law in the U.S. that was written in 1973 when they tried to excuse Nixon’s behavior for putting listening devices in the Democratic Party’s headquarters. In totalitarian countries the heads of state are in absolute power and can not be thrown in jail or executed or thrown out of power as they walk all over their own flesh and blood. We have found out here in the good ole USA that governors (Blagojevich whose life right now is a living hell) and even presidents can be removed for attempting to take bribes, the receiving of bribes, treason, voter fraud, and any other illegal activity that you want to throw in there. Right now ‘bamy is being watched ad nauseum for any of this and he had better fly right or he knows he is going to join his good friend and partner in crime in a nice cozy little Federal Penitentiary cell. 3 months down and just a few to go before this imposter gets the boot from his own party by way of an impeachment.

  • 50
    brygenon
    May 4th, 2009 21:13

    Phil wrote,

    I find it absolutely amusing that on the one hand you want to dismiss the grand juries as being quaint private gatherings but on the other hand treat them with so much seriousness that somehow the Secret Service — and the Marines?

    Phil, at least try to follow along. The “grand juries” at issue here are a game of make-believe. The writer I followed seemed to be confusing the game with reality.

  • 51
    brygenon
    May 4th, 2009 21:17

    Roderick says:

    brygenon: Both sentences are correct and you can’t deny that Clinton was brought up on impeachment.

    Whether I can or not, no one here did. Roderick, please refrain from making up positions for myself and Earl, particularly positions contrary to those we’ve actually taken.

  • 52
    Jacqlyn Smith
    May 4th, 2009 23:18

    brygenon says:
    May 4, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Phil wrote,

    I find it absolutely amusing that on the one hand you want to dismiss the grand juries as being quaint private gatherings but on the other hand treat them with so much seriousness that somehow the Secret Service — and the Marines?

    Phil, at least try to follow along. The “grand juries” at issue here are a game of make-believe. The writer I followed seemed to be confusing the game with reality
    ********************************************************************************

    Brygenon—-Have you ever been on a GJ….It doesn’t sound like it….you don’t know what you are talking about!!!

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