Jury Update: American Grand Jury to Hear Evidence Soon
Bob Campbell, editor at AmericanGrandJury.org, reports that the first “people’s grand jury” is expected to convene before the end of April:
The Online American Grand Jury is moving forward to hear evidence to make a formal presentment (charge) that Barack Obama, aka: Barry Sortero is not a “Natural Born Citizen” and therefore ineligible to hold office as the President of the United States. We will hear all evidence that pertains to this charge. All evidence will be viewed and reviewed by the jury behind closed “password protected website” doors. The jury has been formed (we have over 50 registrations right now). We are now waiting on the formal “Oath of Office” documents to be returned and registered before proceeding with the hearing. We expect to convene the first People’s Grand Jury before the month of April is over.
If you are interested in becoming a Jury member please contact us using the link below. The more jury members we have the better. Becoming a Jury Member is FREE. We can convene multiple Grand Juries if we exceed membership numbers. Each jury will have 25 members with alternates.
All proceedings and presentments of our Grand Jury hearings are conducted and handed down in secrecy. All Jury membership is confidential (members are known only to other serving jury members and AGJ). Such presentments (if any) will be forwarded to ANY Court in the Nation that wishes to review the presentments and proceed with prosecution of the Defendant. What that means is: If any American Grand Jury member wishes to take the presentment(s) to their local, State or Federal jurisdictions and file such presentment(s), then American Grand Jury will provide the paperwork for such member to do just that. American Grand Jury is a people’s grand jury. We assume our power and authority from the Constitution of the United States, Bill of Rights, Amendment 5:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury..
American Grand Jury wishes to make it absolutely clear, we are not here to threaten any court, prosecutor or jurisdiction. That is illegal and we are not interested in things that are illegal. If and when presentments are given to any Court in the Nation we fully expect to cooperate with that Court to help them proceed with their job, that is the indicting and prosecuting of the person or persons charged in the Grand Jury presentments.
The power of the people is measured in masses. The more people that wake up and start to pay attention to what is happening in our Country with respect to corruption and government abuse the better informed our Nation and its people will become. Government is here to protect the people and to adhere to the Constitution and the laws of the land. When Government fails to do that then we as a Nation all lose. [emphases in original]
Previous postings on the citizen/common law grand jury include the following:
- Citizen Grand Jury: AGJ Reports 49 Member Requests, Swennson Found a Sheriff
- Citizen Jury Update: Illinois and Georgia
- GA: First Common Law National Grand Jury Convenes; Indictment Returned; ECR Interview
- WND: Citizens in 20 More States to Form Common Law Grand Juries
- New Site Speaks on Citizen Grand Jury Action in KY, OH, TN and IL; Update: GA Support for Jury, Taitz
- Leo Donofrio “Condemns” GA Common Law Grand Jury
- Concerned Citizens Encouraged to Contact US Attorney Over Eligibility
-Phil
“NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON” – NEWS RELEASE
News Release
Press Contact:
Sam Sewell,
National Spokesperson for American Grand Jury
http://americangrandjury.org/
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Fax (239) 591-1987
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“NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON”
No embargo: For immediate release
(United States of America) – April 29th 2009 – At 8 P.M, ET American Grand Jury convened and conducted a hearing with regard to CRIMINAL activity, complaints and allegations presented before said Jury.
After reviewing the evidence and voting, American Grand Jury members from many states issued the documents for presentment to jurisdictions throughout the nation recommending that person(s) known as Barack Obama, aka: Barack Obama, Jr., aka: Barack Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro, aka: Barry Obama, aka: Barack H. Obama, aka: Barack Obama II, presumed President of the United States, be tried in Criminal Court for charges of fraud (eligibility) and treason.
Said Grand Jury was convened under the power and authority vested with the people as guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States of America.
The American Grand Jury was served by people of the United States; said people being citizens as were sworn under Oath as to Eligibility for and Service in behalf of the Grand Jury:
The American Grand Jury used established public evidence and testimony of recognized by expert witnesses with a long professional history of forensic experience.
Caveat: Grand Jury hearings are secret and all proceedings will remain confidential until released by the courts.
For an unofficial review and summary of the issues that is available in the public domain see: AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html
brygenon,
Appreciate the kind words.
While it would certainly be helpful for someone to be moral/ethical going into the White House, as far as I’m concerned, as long as they meet the constitutional qualifications for office, I have to live with whatever occurs.
-Phil
mtngoat61 wrote:
Quite a starting place it is. After the bit about how the site’s author is busy with tea parties, the first material sentences of mtngoat61’s primary citation: http://www.theobamafile.com/,
reads:
If anyone doubted why we o-bots decry bigotry against Presidents Obama, well, there it is, on display.
In fairness to this site, Phil has not himself taken that position; he has allowed it here without objection, while censoring or chastising more moderate comments on the other side, but he has not written to advance, nor personally endorsed, such bigotry.
Hi all,
Here is a link to a good website with information on Obama and his rise to power. A great starting place to find evidence of how Obama has pulled off his hoax and covered his tracks. What allowed him to do this. Imo, the enabling main stream media (MSM) which abandoned its role in our system to fully vet a candidate for such a high office and which totally did not thoroughly investigate him, demand release of his hidden and sealed records, and even ran interference for him against those who were seeking release of the information and records :
Main page organized by categories:
http://www.theobamafile.com/
Index/Bookmark page:
http://www.theobamafile.com/Bookmarks.htm
M Publius Goat
http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org
Reality Check,
Yet such an uproar they do make.
-Phil
There’s no law against play-acting as a grand jury and returning pretend indictments.
Sending a document purporting to be a judicial process is a crime in some jurisdictions.
Phil
You are still incorrect. These are not “de facto” juries. The term “de facto” would imply that they have similar powers as a real jury but without being “de jure”. A more acccurate term would be “pretend” grand jury. They are more like a small theater group acting out a poorly written, one act play.
I have not said, nor do I remember anyone saying, that pretend grand juries are illegal. They may be laughable, powerless, pointless, a waste of time, and ridiculous but they are not illegal. They would become illegal only if they attempted to usurp powers that they do not have.
Phil forgot the point and wrote,
Sigh. Your claim was that you had no one say that the gatherings are not illegal nor unconstitutional. I corrected you on that, so now you pretend the issue was the other way.
There’s no law against play-acting as a grand jury and returning pretend indictments. I myself have played court, years ago, with other children.
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
“This case arises from an attempt by the Grand Jury of the First Judicial District of Jones County….”
In other words, a grand jury empaneled by the court.
Exactly, these Citizen Grand Juries serve as both a method of training for Presentment to Judicially Convened Grand Juries and for gathering evidence for Presentment.
Shifting Goalpost Alert!
brygenon,
Nope, I still didn’t see anything that you said saying that such a group is illegal or unconstitutional; simply not being taken seriously at this time.
-Phil
Phil wrote,
You didn’t notice anyone saying that??? I had it in a comment you approved this very day:
Reality Check,
One thing that I have noticed nobody actually saying, however, is the fact that it is not illegal nor by any means unconstitutional for a common law grand jury to be empaneled.
So, while the “de facto” jury may be empaneled within the confines of the Judiciary, it is nevertheless still an independent body that must make its own presentment to be submitted to an entity of the Judiciary.
-Phil
Phil said:
The first statement is correct. The second statement is entirely incorrect because real juries are established by the judiciary and are bestowed with power to indict or convict beforehand. Enforcement is guaranteed if the process is followed according to the rule of law. The first case it is just a crowd getting together. In the second case the findings must be acted upon. That is a huge difference. That is analogous to the difference between a child’s toy gun and a loaded .45 caliber pistol.
RE: the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this little tid bit:
Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:
“The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”
Ms. Pacific and her assistant eventually repaid over $30,000.
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
“The point of any of these private gatherings is to potentially produce a presentment that can then be submitted to the authorities…”
Exactly, these Citizen Grand Juries serve as both a method of training for Presentment to Judicially Convened Grand Juries and for gathering evidence for Presentment.
To that extent, these Citizen Grand Juries are productive as long as they are not handled improperly.
The feigned humor of brygenon is another one of the stale logical fallacies that permeate the rhetoric of Obama supporters.
Also Known as: Appeal to Mockery, The Horse Laugh.
Description of Appeal to Ridicule
The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an ” argument.” This line of ” reasoning” has the following form:
1. X, which is some form of ridicule, is presented (typically directed at the claim).
2. Therefore claim C is false.
This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false. This is especially clear in the following example: “1+1=2! That’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!”
Examples of Appeal to Ridicule
1. “Sure my worthy opponent claims that we should lower tuition, but that is just laughable.”
2. “Support the ERA? Sure, when the women start paying for the drinks! Hah! Hah!”
3. “Those wacky conservatives! They think a strong military is the key to peace!”
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Have you had a logic class yet?
You might take a look at this site:
http://www.austhink.org/critical/pages/fallacies.html
Critical Thinking on the Web.
You might also consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones. http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html
Two very important Constitutional Grand Jury posts – PLEASE FORWARD!
Straight Talk about Constitutional Grand Jury
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/straight-talk-about-constitutional.html
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
American Grand Jury Evidence Collecting Request
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/american-grand-jury-evidence-collecting.html
Then again, neither does any other jury; this is why any jury’s findings must be given to an entity of the Judiciary before anything can happen.
A jury (grand or petit) must also be sworn in by a judge. As these common-law “grand juries” weren’t properly sworn in, their actions have no legal significance.
earl,
My official position on the grand juries is that they do not have the power, in and of themselves, to enforce their findings. Then again, neither does any other jury; this is why any jury’s findings must be given to an entity of the Judiciary before anything can happen.
-Phil
” Where’s your proof that OBama is natural born?”
The burden of proof is on you. Where is your proof that Obama is not a natural born citizen? You don’t have any, do you. Zilch, zero, nada.
Author says:
“how will any court look at the ligality of the juries findings?”
These “proceedings” carry no legal weight. Call them grand juries, tea parties, ladies aid society meetings, they are legally meaningless. Even Phil concedes this. PR activity, feel-good sessions for anti-Obamas, nothing more.
da verg says:
“still waiting” “Hillary and McCain are morons”
Uh huh, right. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii: natural born citizen. If anyone could demonstrate otherwise, it would have been accomplished not just before Nov 4, but before the primaries. Obama is President and will be for at least 4 years if not 8. Suck it up and better luck next time.
A. t. Hun wrote,
The bodies at issue here are pretend grand juries. Obama-haters are free to call themselves “grand juries”, and Mr. Hun is free to call Mark McGrew’s sophistry “research”. The Constitutional foundation is the First Amendment, not the Fifth.
No one is trying to deny them the right to assemble and petition the government. The amusing bit is their notion that playing make-believe is the way to get taken more seriously.
It’s not “only fair to tell them” such; it’s hilarious. When they laugh at your indictments, you’ll threaten to indict them.
Aristotle the Hun Says:
Two important links to help people understand the Grand Jury issue. You can participate in the National On-line Grand Jury from the comfort of you own home with no expense to you.
Mark McGrew’s research validates the Constitutional premise of the Grand Jury’s power to investigate criminal activity within the government independent of lawyers and judges.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/mark-mcgrew-nails-grand-jury-story.html
A press release from American Grand Jury explains how citizen participation is easy, effective, and free.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-fraud-american-grand-jury-formal.html
This Grand Jury deals in criminal charges not law suits.
Mark has provided us with some very powerful ammunition. Here are some suggestions on how to use it
· Get Mark’s article published on your sites ASAP – it validates the cause for potential jurors
· Print Marks article to include with the presentments
· Notify prosecutors that if they do not take action they will be considered by the Grand Jury as co-conspirators and indicted along with AKA.* see below
Mark’s article makes it very clear that Grand Juries have much more clout that a civil law suit. Keep in mind all we need is for one prosecutor and one judge to order that a criminal trial be held. The whole thing will be over during the discovery phase.
*When it is obvious that they prosecutors are not going to cooperate it is only fair to tell them that their abject refusal to act on the Grand Jury’s findings can only be seen as a criminal act that must be indicted. Certainly we won’t lead with that pronouncement.
Contact: Sam Sewell, National Spokesperson for http://americangrandjury.org/
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Earl wrote
“Hillary and McCain would have used it lonnnnng before Nov 4th. Use your noodle.”
Hillary and McCain are morons, neither one of them knows the definition of natural born citizen. John McCain isn’t one either. They both were lied to, as the rest of were lied to , by OBama , Pelosi, and the lame stream media. Now it’s your turn to use your noodle. Where’s your proof that OBama is natural born? I am still waiting. I asked this before, and I am still asking and I am still waiting. You have none. Do you?
The point of any of these private gatherings is to potentially produce a presentment that can then be submitted to the authorities for them to either accept or reject.
As explained many times, the authorities really have no choice but to reject these “presentments” (as Swensson is learning the slow way).
Author,
The point of any of these private gatherings is to potentially produce a presentment that can then be submitted to the authorities for them to either accept or reject.
Nothing enforceable can come of any such presentments until such time as the authorities decide to proceed forward with the paperwork.
-Phil
Greg Goss says:
“Biden as President” “overwhelming evidence”
Where was all this “overwhelming evidence” before election day? If such evidence existed, Hillary and McCain would have used it lonnnnng before Nov 4th. Use your noodle.
But I’ll play with your hypothetical… Of course that is the only outcome. Read your Constitution. A sitting President can only be removed by impeachment and conviction by the Congress. In that case, the Vice President becomes President and holds the office until he is replaced by election, serves two whole terms of his own, or such time as he is unable to serve. If you didn’t want a Democrat in the White House, you should have worked harder to get your guy elected. Try harder next time. You didn’t really think there would be some sort of Presidential election do-over did you? Really? No, tell me none of you thought that.
Since this American Grand Jury is going to be conducted on the internet, even though the members of the jury will have passwords and all the necessary encryption to keep the site secure, just how will any court look at the ligality of the juries findings?
Pieter, Read this. http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/mark-mcgrew-nails-grand-jury-story.html
Greg
If Obama is made to resign and Biden becomes president I would think all laws signed by O would be null and void——–however….
do you remember Biden saying that HE (Biden) is at Os side at all times and is watching everything that Obama is signing into law?
It was a few months ago Biden made that comment–who’s to say that Biden isn’t signing as a co-signer——-would they all be null and void? I guess so, since this president is an illegal fraud which I guess makes Biden nothing….not even Senator!! That would put Biden out of politics completely!
But after reading Ginsberg article about wanting to use International Law here–who knows what is legal anymore. What a tangled web they have woven.
We can only hope that Obama is found ineligible and is made to either resign or be impeached and put out–forever and take his dirt bag criminals with him.
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I have been pondering what would happen if Zero is removed or in the face of overwhelming evidence does the right thing and resigns. I don’t see him going down without a fight though.
What I am thinking is that we end up with Biden as president because Barack was inaugurated and has assumed the the OOPOTUS. I am hoping that I am wrong only because of what he has signed into law, I would like to see all of that null and void.
I hope folks realize this effort only serves to provide awareness of the importance of this issue and NOTHING else.
It does not have the backing of the constitution to remove a SITTING President.
It utterly lacks the precedent of law in the hope of seeking redress.
Write the the US and DC AGs as to your displeasure and concerns…don’t be a hypocrite and hold faith with the constitutional mechanisms for redress.
If the AGs fail to press the QW route, it falls on the citizenry to retain counsel that will press our “third party” rights under statute.
Delusional “wishful thinking” is NOT a problem solving instrument for the correction of this gross error in the election of Mr. Obama. Similarly, neither is the abrogation of the constitution to save he republic.
My two cents.
SFC Nosworthy
That is illegal and we are not interested in things that are illegal.
Half right.