New Site Speaks on Citizen Grand Jury Action in KY, OH, TN and IL; Update: GA Support for Jury, Taitz
As I had originally reported, WorldNetDaily mentioned that individuals in some 20 States intended to get together to form common law grand juries. Additional reports of these groups are beginning to surface.
Thanks to a heads up from TheSteadyDrip, the following info comes from a newly-established site, AmericanGrandJury.org. In one posting, the site’s Editor, Bob Cambell, writes (emphases in all originals):
The organizer of the Georgia Grand Jury is in Kentucky right now [4/5/09] to spread the good news. I just received this letter from Carl Swensson. Thank you Carl for the update. We are always excited to hear what is going on in the world of Citizens’ Grand Juries.
Carl wrote:
Bob,
I’m in Kentucky at the biggest gun show in America (billed as) and it is really huge. I’m finding good success getting signatories to our action and even more understanding of the issues than I’ve ever seen from any group.
Dr. Taitz is flying in tomorrow to address the crowd and I’m looking forward to this as are many in attendance (THOUSANDS).
Hope the ill words between lawyers has abated as we do really need to work toward a common goal.
On the legal front we’ll take any success that comes our way.On the fourth branch of government front we’re steadily moving forward with more states stepping up and organizing.
Matters not who gets to the brass ring first, just that we grab it.
Again, a truly masterful job in creating this site and I’m deeply appreciative as will be the rest of America.
Carl Swensson
In another posting, Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee are said to be forming juries…
Current update on the Kentucky Gun show which Carl Swensson (Georgia Grand Jury) is attending this weekend.
Orly Taitz attended the show with Carl — in her words:
Mrs Theresa Padgett drove me to the Knob Creek automatic gun show. (thank you Theresa and David Padgett). At the show we got a booth and together with the first Citizens Grand Jury Foreman, Mr. Carl Swensson, we presented a case for fraud perpetrated by Obama upon American Citizens. Within a few hours 20 new military plaintiffs signed up for my legal actions. Over 300 have signed indictments. We currently have 25 grand Jurors indictments from KY, OH, TN, GA . We should have a number of other states soon…
And this from Mr. Campbell’s latest posting:
This news just received by Mary Ann in Illinois:
Illinois is presently working on getting our Citizen’s Federal Grand Jury set up. I have been working with Dr. Orly Taitz for a while now. In February, I went to Washington DC to serve Subpoenas and Pleadings for Dr. Orly Taitz. This weekend, I along with Carolyn, Tonya and Fred had an opportunity to meet Dr. Orly Taitz and discuss what is presently going on. We advised Dr.Taitz that we (Illinois) should have our Citizen’s Federal Grand Jury lined up soon. Orly is a wonderful lady. A True Patriot.
Mr. Campbell has four main links at the top of his site describing his basis for a citizen grand jury.
Update: RiseUpForAmerica is now reporting the following:
*** Update April 6 ***
I returned from the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot late last night.http://www.machinegunshoot.com/ This was an oustanding gun show, the likes of which I’ve never seen before and it was very fruitfull for the cause. Over 300 signed in support of there brothers and sisters in GA and we added 20 former high ranking Military Officers to sign on to Dr. Orly Taitzs’ law suit. You must know that Orly is everything you think she is and more. Her undying devotion to the cause of exposing this Fraud is a marvel to see in person. She is fearless and although I never ask for money for myself, I would encourage all to aide her in her efforts however you can. Mail her support, don’t use the Pay-Pal. Address can be found on her web site. An estimated 1000 stopped by the booth which was provided by The Gun Club and arranged by Teresa Padget, who also assisted me (or maybe the other way arround) in talking to as many as would lend an ear. I need to thank her and her husband David Padget for letting me stay with them Fri and Sat night and making all the booth arrangements. We passed out over 2000 flyers and met with people familiar with the GA action from arround the country.
I’ll be adding content to the site during the day so let’s continue this to it’s logical conclusion. The Brass ring we seek is really quite simple. We need one Judge or one Sheriff, or one US Attorney to sign a subpena for his records. Done. All else will play out as it should after proper verification. [emphasis mine]
-Phil
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ouraboros,
While I appreciate your comment, I think the take-away paragraph was the following:
I guess I’m a little confused on how a group of individuals making a formal presentment of paperwork to the authorities is any different from, say, a singular individual filing paperwork with a US Attorney or an FBI agent. In either case, at this point, nobody is saying that such a grouping has any implicit powers. Rather, it is saying that people are getting together and presenting information to an authority figure requesting further action.
-Phil
Article 1, Section 8 provides Congress with certain powers. One of those powers is to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
The Constitution was written in the 18th century, and many of the ideas, concepts and phrases are ambiguous by today’s understanding. The establishment of the U.S. Code, and Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure are written to carry out Constitutional provisions for the protected rights of citizens on both sides — the accused and victims.
The “birthers” as they have become called, insist that the 5th Amendment gives them authority to convene as a Grand Jury and indict President Obama on their allegation that he is not a natural born United States citizen. After having all their cases dismissed by decisions of the courts, their most recent common law grand jury escapade is likened to reading two sentences of a medical book and concluding that they have correctly diagnosed a medical condition and how to treat it on behalf of “We the People.” They are extremely mistaken.
By comparison, a person cannot admit himself to the hospital on his diagnosis alone. He must be examined by a physician. The physician may call in other physicians and maybe also have specialists to confirm that the person requires medical care and the treatment. The ordering of tests and procedures to determine illness follow a chain of command or authority.
No one would want just anyone sticking a needle in their arm to take blood. They would want to make sure that the person is a trained employee of the hospital, the purpose for taking blood, and that a doctor has ordered it.
Common folk meeting in someone’s barn or dining room, calling themselves a Grand Jury, and sending their indictment to government officials, is in violation of the Constitution, as they are in violation of clearly established judicial rules and procedures that were written in the keeping of carrying out of the Constitution.
The 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution set forth due process. Due process as proposed by the founding fathers has been incorporated into the constitutions of all the states. “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law.”
The 5th Amendment sets forth in pertinent part:
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, ….”
The birthers have stopped at that point, without considering the 5th Amendment as a whole. The 5th Amendment protects people from being held for committing a crime unless they are properly indicted; that they may not be tried twice for the same crime; that they need not be forced to testify against themselves; and that property not be taken without just compensation. It also contains due process guarantees. One of the guarantees most people have heard of is “pleading the fifth.”
Due process applies to all phases of a criminal proceeding, starting with any pre-trial activities such as arrests, interrogations, and searches of property. Officials cannot lawfully create rules as they go along. The rights of individuals must be protected from the very beginning and this required the establishment and passing of rules to keep things consistent. People might be familiar with Miranda rights as an established rule to protect the due process rights of individuals.
After considering the 5th Amendment as a whole, we must also know how the government describes the carrying out of the 5th Amendment in regards to the Grand Jury. In 1976, in a case called United States vs. Mandujano, Justice Potter Stewart said the following in regards to the Grand Jury Clause:
“[The grand jury's] historic office has been to provide a shield against arbitrary or oppressive action, by insuring that serious criminal accusations will be brought only upon the considered judgment of a representative body of citizens acting under oath and under judicial instruction and guidance.”
This is the way in which the Constitution’s Grand Jury Clause has been historically understood – as a body of citizens acting under oath AND under judicial instruction and guidance.
The courts cannot have citizens running renegade, meeting as a Grand Jury to indict a neighbor of stealing a rose bush. Especially considered is if they do so when local law enforcement already determined that the neighbor has a receipt for purchasing the rose bush that the store verified.
Now, I suppose that someone can allege that the receipt is fake and the store owner is in cohorts with the neighbor, but that does not give them constitutional authority to attempt to circumvent the police investigation by establishing their own lynch mob.
The authority to call forth a Grand Jury clearly lies with “the court.” The birthers might argue that the Constitution does not say that only a court can call forth the Grand Jury. Well, by the same token, it doesn’t say that any group of citizens can meet, calling themselves a “Grand Jury” and giving themselves authority to present an indictment. And, this now goes back to and ties in with Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution that grants Congress powers to make laws.
Congress passed the Rules Enabling Act and placed it into U.S. law at 28 U.S.C. Sections 2072 and 2074, giving the Supreme Court of the United States statutory authority to make Rules. The Rules coincide with the Judiciary Act of 1789 that gives the federal courts power to establish “all necessary rules for the orderly conducting [of] business.”
It is logical to conclude that the court’s requirements for the Grand Jury fall under “all necessary rules for the orderly conducting of business.”
With the Sumners Courts Act of 1940, Congress granted authority to the Supreme Court to write and establish the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure became effective on March 21, 1946. The Rules were adopted for three main reasons. The first reason for the adoption of the Rules is designed to abolish the technicalities which led to the dismissal of cases or the reversal of convictions for reasons unconnected with the guilt or innocence of the defendant.
The second reason for the promulgation of the Federal Rules is to ensure “fairness in administration.” The final reason given for the adoption of the Rules is to eliminate “unjustifiable expense and delay.”
Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6 subsection (a)(1) clearly sets forth:
“When the public interest so requires, the court must order that one or more grand juries be summoned. A grand jury must have 16 to 23 members, and the court must order that enough legally qualified persons be summoned to meet this requirement.”
Rule 6, subsection (b)(1) provides that “the government or defendant may challenge the grand jury on the ground that it was not lawfully drawn, summoned, or selected, and may challenge an individual juror on the ground that the juror is not legally qualified.”
The birthers may not realize that their actions can be challenged by U.S. Attorney General Holder. If he does, I would pay to be present.
Now, we come to the point of the 5th Amendment’s “capital” and “infamous” crimes definitions. Almost everyone understands that a “capital crime” is a crime where the punishment is death or life in prison. Could the birthers believe that President Obama has committed any crime deserving of death? Or, is it their contention that President Obama has committed an “infamous” crime?
In United States v. Moreland, 1924, the Supreme Court ruled that an infamous crime is one in which the punishment for the crime could be a prison sentence. This would mean that the birthers are alleging that if President Obama is not a natural born United States citizen, that he is deserving of a prison sentence. I don’t think there are any laws that imprison illegal immigrants – sending them back to their country in which they are a citizen maybe – but not putting them in prison.
Even if the birthers’s allegations are true, (and federal courts have decided they are not), there is no written law coinciding with the 5th Amendment in which relief can be granted to the birthers.
Effectively, our rights as American citizens cannot be protected if Court Rules are violated. The same Rules that protects citizens by requiring that evidence be presented in a certain matter so that charges are not dismissed on technicalities sending the alleged guilty free, also protects the Constitutional due process rights of the accused. We cannot have it one way without the other.
Sources:
http://www.usconstitution.net/constquick.html
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/Rule6.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6700/is_n3_87/ai_n28695520/
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/203446/Federal-Rules-of-Criminal-Procedure
Jacqlyn,
“Well let’s see….Sarah Palin…Conservative and murdered by the Liberal biased media…..Palin—Conservative…..Media……Liberal.”
I’m not a Republican or a Democrat….I am a Conservative and I am very familiar with you Liberal attack machines….I have one in my own family!!!
Liberals don’t respect Life…..that is why the world is in this shameless condition you call justice!!!”
Whoa paint. You don’t know anything about me. So, I suggest you not label me or accuse me of anything. If anybody is attacking, it is you, not me.
Sue says:
April 8, 2009 at 9:34 am
Jacqlyn,
“Liberals will not take responsibility for anything….including following the LAW…..must blame conservatives for everything that is wrong in the world!!!”
I think there is guilt on both sides. (Republican/Democrat) I don’t understand the liberal/conservative label. Exactly what do you mean when you attach a label like this to someone?
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Well let’s see….Sarah Palin…Conservative and murdered by the Liberal biased media…..Palin—Conservative…..Media……Liberal.
I’m not a Republican or a Democrat….I am a Conservative and I am very familiar with you Liberal attack machines….I have one in my own family!!!
Liberals don’t respect Life…..that is why the world is in this shameless condition you call justice!!!
Jacqlyn,
“Liberals will not take responsibility for anything….including following the LAW…..must blame conservatives for everything that is wrong in the world!!!”
I think there is guilt on both sides. (Republican/Democrat) I don’t understand the liberal/conservative label. Exactly what do you mean when you attach a label like this to someone?
“Also, the LIBERALS killed the three cops in OAKLAND. No question about it. Their “ask first, shoot later” illogical regs got all these cops killed. Then they had the nerve to show up at the funerals. Hypocrits all of them.”
Phil,
Note Da Verg’s statement above. Now, in his opinion, these law enforcement officers should have gone into this house guns blazin?
My point is that law enforcement are taught to assess the situation before they draw their weapons. Being a law abiding citizen, I’m sure glad they do.
Let me give you an example of bad hunters and trust me, I have had tons of experience with them. The good ones check out/verify their target before they shoot. The bad one’s shoot first and many times end up killing or wounding another hunter, cow, horse, owner of the property or one of his family members, etc. instead of their intended target which was a deer.
Sue,
They made a statement having nothing to do with what you interpreted said statement to mean, in my view. Therefore, since these are your thoughts about which we’re talking, I’m asking you to further expand on your interpretation.
-Phil
“Maybe you can clear up how carrying a weapon automagically means “shoot[ing] first, ask[ing] questions later,” because I guess I just don’t get it.”
Ask Da Verg.
Sue,
Maybe you can clear up how carrying a weapon automagically means “shoot[ing] first, ask[ing] questions later,” because I guess I just don’t get it.
-Phil
What I think is quite interesting is that many of those participants at the gun show don’t like Dr. Taitz very much either. After they “get Obama”, Dr. Taitz will be next on their list.
“if others carried a gun, the shooter wouldn’t have shot anyone. Ever think about that?”
Excuse me. The others were cops and they had guns. Your shoot first, ask questions later kills innocent people.(kids)
Mr. Exists wrote,
That’s a pretty good description of how President Obama got elected. The birthers have things all confused: They want judicial proceedings to follow public opinion and elections to be decided by courts.
This is great news. Me and a bunch of my liberatarian buddies are forming a grand jury here in West Virginia. We plan to indict the fraud Obama. We also plan to indict GWB and Dick Cheney for their part in the World Trade center mass murder. Its time to take our country back. After the indictments were are having a cookout to celebrate.
>>>>you left out Bill Clinton and Janet Reno for gutting the military and CIA/FBI and State Dept. for their role in WTC. And also, their role in Davidian massacre. Can’t have it both ways you libertarians. What facts do you have for W? None. LOL.
Indict the cows and pigs that contribute to your cook out , while you are at it.
Sue
if others carried a gun, the shooter wouldn’t have shot anyone. Ever think about that?
Also, the LIBERALS killed the three cops in OAKLAND. No question about it. Their “ask first, shoot later” illogical regs got all these cops killed. Then they had the nerve to show up at the funerals. Hypocrits all of them.
Besides, I don’t see what this “spinning out” has to do with the topic thread. Yet again , another lib tactic spin out, marginalize, spin out, marginalize, then twist the truth.
da verg, anyone who understands our legal system knows Obama has no obligation to show anything. The burden of proof is on those who accuse him, and so far, they have produced no evidence that would be admissible against him in court. That’s why every lawsuit seeks to turn the burden of proof onto Obama. Unfortunately, if you need to learn something that you are not entitled to know to prove your case, then you have no case at all. People who know the law have tried to explain this.
I have no interest in participating in this grand jury thing. It is a group of people play-acting at legal process. And carries all the weight of a petition drive against Obama. Swensson delivered many copies of his indictment but no one will meet with him. People who understand our legal system predicted that right on this blog.
But have as many grand juries and issue as many indictments as you like. Keep writing letters, calling your legislators and sharing fellowship at tea parties. You have every right to speak freely and assemble peacefully. Peacefully.
hey
Earl
why don’t you campaign to be a “grand” jurist, bring BO’s real BC with you, and what ever else proof you have to prove BO’s a NBC?
Do you have the guts to do it, or are you just a mouse that roared with no back up documentation?
Then I’d suggest you hurry up and get on the bandwagon of repealing the First, Second, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments. After all, one never knows what the “unwashed masses” will do with so much liberty.
Your ability to attribute thoughts and words to others is truly unparalleled.
Wow, my morning is complete: scolded by Phil. You are silly.
earl,
When I post what other people say, I let them say what they say. As far as my opinion is concerned, I have an opinion, but I’m not going to force that on what’s being reported unless it’s very clear, one way or the other, that something is out of place.
Nobody knows if any of this will be taken seriously or not.
You don’t read things very well, do you? Please re-read the following paragraph that is above all of the quoted postings:
What does the parenthetical say? “emphases in all originals” — that means that all emphases, regardless of being emboldened, underlined, or the like, came from the original, not from me.
Next time, read the posting thoroughly before submitting such a comment.
-Phil
Grand Jury…..long read
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=report%20a%20crime&url=/uscode/html/uscode18a/usc_sec_18a_03000006—-000-.html
(f) Bill of Particulars. The court may direct the government to file a bill of particulars. The defendant may move for a bill of particulars before or within 10 days after arraignment or at a later time if the court permits. The government may amend a bill of particulars subject to such conditions as justice requires. (As amended Feb. 28, 1966, eff. July 1, 1966; Apr. 24, 1972, eff. Oct. 1, 1972; Apr. 30, 1979, eff. Aug. 1, 1979; Mar. 9, 1987, eff. Aug. 1, 1987; Apr. 17, 2000, eff. Dec. 1, 2000; Apr. 29, 2002, eff. Dec. 1, 2002; Pub. L. 108–21, title VI, § 610(b), Apr. 30, 2003, 117 Stat. 692.) Notes of Advisory Committee on Rules—1944 Note to Subdivision
(a). 1. This rule gives effect to the following provision of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury * * *”.
An infamous crime has been defined as a crime punishable by death or by imprisonment in a penitentiary or at hard labor, Ex parte Wilson, 114 U.S. 417, 427; United States v. Moreland, 258 U.S. 433. Any sentence of imprisonment for a term of over one year may be served in a penitentiary, if so directed by the Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 753f [now 4082, 4083]
Dan,NY Obama “inherited” his father’s Nationality and British
citizenship at birth. He can never have status as a “natural born citizen” under Article II, section I, clause 5.
WE ALSO HAVE OTHER LAW’S
FYI: 18 U.S.C. 4 imposes a legal obligation to report all Federal Felonies to an officer in the Judicial, Civil or Military authorities of the United States (Federal Government):
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/4.html
(Failure to do so is another Federal Felony!)
(read’s as follow’s)
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. ……..Dan,NY
Thanks, Phil, for keeping us apprised.
For those naysayers: it all begins with an individual decision to speak up, which then becomes a group of many voices, and eventually rolls into a mighty league which will not be denied. It matters not what judicial power the Grand Juries have; the devastating power lies in voices unified as one.
Phil,
If your opinion is that these grand juries and the indictments carry no legal weight, why don’t you write that when you make posts like this? Clearly implied in these snippets from other sites is an expectation that something will come of the “indictments”. Or it is certainly pitched that way by Orly, Swensson, Campbell.
Example:
“We currently have 25 grand Jurors indictments from KY, OH, TN, GA . We should have a number of other states soon…” You bolded it like it should be noted as important.
“On the legal front we’ll take any success that comes our way.On the fourth branch of government front we’re steadily moving forward with more states stepping up and organizing.” You redded this one, clearly it is noteworthy to you.
I would submit that by highlighting these bits, you are suggesting that they are legally meaningful.
Phil,
“between, say, my site and any other site that may have been stated in some article somewhere as being directly responsible for this individual’s unlawful behavior.”
I wasn’t referring to your site or implying that your site has any relationship whatsoever to the shooters unlawful behavior. I want to make that perfectly clear.
Pics from the gun show Dr. Taitz attended. FYI
http://washingtonindependent.com/37360/scenes-from-the-real-america
Scenes From the Real America
Phil says:
April 6, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Sue,
Yes, let’s all go to gun shows and incite people who might already have a psychological problem so we can get 3 more law enforcement officers killed. The shooter had frequented these right wing blogs. …
Yes, let’s continue on this path of spreading false and misleading information so more of our law enforcement officials can get ambushed like the recent ones this weekend. OR get another one like Tim McVeigh.
OK, Sue, listen up and listen good, because I’m only going to say this once.
You can personally call me or my site any pejorative in the book you like (if it’s too much, I’ll censor or delete your comment). You can make all kinds of accusations about my site that you like, as I know for a fact that others have done so both here on my site and on other sites as well.
However, what I will not tolerate is your attempting to make an association — “The shooter had frequented these right wing blogs” — between, say, my site and any other site that may have been stated in some article somewhere as being directly responsible for this individual’s unlawful behavior.
Do it again with zero evidence in hand, and I will make sure you are banned permanently from this site.
I hope I have made myself perfectly clear.
-Phil
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Phil—-Sue is just repeating what the biased Liberal MSM is putting out there concerning the cop killer…..I heard the same analysis on CNN earlier….Liberals will not take responsibility for anything….including following the LAW…..must blame conservatives for everything that is wrong in the world!!!
“You can lead a liberal to the truth but you can’t make them think.” ~Unknown
Bob,
Then I’d suggest you hurry up and get on the bandwagon of repealing the First, Second, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments. After all, one never knows what the “unwashed masses” will do with so much liberty.
-Phil
What I am “honestly” telling you is that if a common law/citizen’s grand jury is irrelevant to some, then I don’t know why there’s so much opposition against it.
My main man Leo Donofrio explains they why pretty well.
Sue,
OK, Sue, listen up and listen good, because I’m only going to say this once.
You can personally call me or my site any pejorative in the book you like (if it’s too much, I’ll censor or delete your comment). You can make all kinds of accusations about my site that you like, as I know for a fact that others have done so both here on my site and on other sites as well.
However, what I will not tolerate is your attempting to make an association — “The shooter had frequented these right wing blogs” — between, say, my site and any other site that may have been stated in some article somewhere as being directly responsible for this individual’s unlawful behavior.
Do it again with zero evidence in hand, and I will make sure you are banned permanently from this site.
I hope I have made myself perfectly clear.
-Phil
earl,
Yeah, and? I’ve only been saying this all along. Well, that and the caveat that any private individual can submit paperwork to the authorities for further investigation.
-Phil
Koyaan,
What I am “honestly” telling you is that if a common law/citizen’s grand jury is irrelevant to some, then I don’t know why there’s so much opposition against it.
-Phil
Here are some photos from the “gun show”. Looks lovely. And, based on the merchandise for sale, looks like a great place to pick up some “unbiased” jurors.
http://washingtonindependent.com/37360/scenes-from-the-real-america
” We need one Judge or one Sheriff, or one US Attorney to sign a subpena for his records.”
Really? Because, I can’t see some Sherriff or Judge from Tennessee subpoenaing records from anywhere outside their jurisdiction? But… Orly must know. She always seems to know. lol
Yes, let’s all go to gun shows and incite people who might already have a psychological problem so we can get 3 more law enforcement officers killed. The shooter had frequented these right wing blogs.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gxAP_ul1xtDvN-3H8XQ5EaI6_7cAD97CFVP02
Fight over urinating dog got police to Pa. ambush
“The mother told police her son had been stockpiling guns and ammunition “because he believed that as a result of economic collapse, the police were no longer able to protect society,” the affidavit said.”
“Friends have said Poplawski was concerned about his weapons being seized during Barack Obama’s presidency, and friends said he owned several handguns and an AK-47 assault rifle. Police have not said, specifically, what weapons were used to kill the officers.”
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/04/richard_poplawski_accused_pitt.php
[UPDATED] Richard Poplawski: Accused Pittsburgh Cop Killer, Possible White Supremacist
“I broke the news of Poplawski’s association with Stormfront.org in this post yesterday. This is from the Post-Gazette’s article published today:
[Poplawski's] online profile suggests someone at once lonely and seething. He wrote of burning the backs of both of his hands, the first time with a cigarette, the second time for symmetry. He subscribed to conspiracy theories and, by January 2007, was posting photographs of his tattoos on white supremacist Web site Stormfront. Among his ambitions: “to accumulate enough ‘I punched that [expletive] so hard’ stories to match my old man.”"
“Eddie Perkovic, for his part, clearly must share some of Poplawski’s views, as his profile revealed a fear of “Zionists” and some kind of ethnic takeover of America. Among Perkovic’s recommended reads were “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and The Turner Diaries.”
“The longer I do this crime blogging thing, the more I try to shy away both from editorializing and from fear-mongering. But I can’t help but feel we’ll hear from more Richard Poplawskis in the years to come. There are changes happening in the world that they, to say the least, don’t like very much. After all, prior to 9/11/01, the worst modern act of terrorism committed on American soil was committed by Americans. And one of those Americans, Tim McVeigh, happened to have pages from The Turner Diaries with him when he was arrested.”
“I’m just saying: while we were searching for the key to eliminating Al Qaeda, guys like Richard Poplawski didn’t go anywhere. Hell, they may have even multiplied. Just remember that.”
Yes, let’s continue on this path of spreading false and misleading information so more of our law enforcement officials can get ambushed like the recent ones this weekend. OR get another one like Tim McVeigh.
“That’s right we are going to put 25 jurors together behind closed doors in a “password protected” website and hammer out an indictment against Obama.”
He doesn’t even try to project the auspice of an objective process. Collecting signatures at a gun show amounts to little more than a petition drive. These grand juries indictments carry no more weight than a club meeting and signing petition and circulating to state officials. Don’t say the attorneys here didn’t try to tell you so.
Phil wrote:
We’re not talking about anything being 100% without bias here, Phil. We’re talking about an indictment being a foregone conclusion before the jury has even been convened.
Are you honestly telling me you don’t see the distinction here?
k
Koyaan,
In which case, now you’re speaking of degrees of bias-ness, as no human on the face of the planet is completely objective in their consideration of facts. After all, no jury in any way claims to be 100% without bias.
This makes about as much sense in diminishing a private grouping calling themselves a citizen’s grand jury as saying that somehow not questioning previous Presidents on their eligibility has some bearing on the present President.
-Phil
“On the fourth branch of government front we’re steadily moving forward with more states stepping up and organizing.”
Carl Swensson may think he’s part of “the fourth branch of government,” but he’s not.
Citizen’s Federal Grand Jury
Yet another psuedolegal group lacking legal authority.
This is great news. Me and a bunch of my liberatarian buddies are forming a grand jury here in West Virginia. We plan to indict the fraud Obama. We also plan to indict GWB and Dick Cheney for their part in the World Trade center mass murder. Its time to take our country back. After the indictments were are having a cookout to celebrate.
Phil wrote:
I understand that.
I was speaking to the process. If the indictments/presentments are foregone conclusions from the start, then the whole thing is little more than a joke, irrespective of whether or not they have any power or authority.
k
Koyaan,
What I’ve said previously obviously bears repeating: no presentments have any authority or power whatsoever unless and until the authorities to whom they are presented decide to take action thereon.
Now, I have moderated comments here — twice — that claim certain authorities have already made comments on these presentments, but so far nobody has been able to show links to such sources in order to (1) verify what’s been said and (2) for me to potentially create postings thereof.
-Phil
FEcrist,
This is now the second time I’ve had to ask this. Please cite your source for these comments, preferably via URL so that such claims can be verified (and I can potentially do a post).
-Phil
Bob Campbell wrote:
Hmmm. I always thought that a grand jury was a deliberative body whose job is to determine whether or not there is sufficient evidence to warrant the issuance of an indictment.
However you seem to be saying here that an indictment is a foregone conclusion.
Sounds more like a kangaroo court than a grand jury.
k
You can indict people in citizen grand juries all day and all night long, but they still don’t mean squat! It marginalizes our party and almost guarantees that Democrats will win the next election, the next election….Ask the people at free republic. You guys are becoming a laughing stock and the party will pay for your nonsense. Think about it. I live in Florida and Govenor Crist was asked by our local paper about these grand juries, and he couldn’t stop laughing long enough to answer the question! He said something to the effect “Oh you mean dumb russian broad that sounds like shes from the bullwinkle and rocky cartoon? Oh yeah, she’s nuts. We don’t enforce citizen grand juries and no other state will either!”Orly’s is getting a very bad reputation here. Authorities say she’s being watched by the threat assessment group because of her “disturbing commentary” God, I hope so
Bob Campbell,
Thanks for the kind words and for reading. It’s all about activism.
-Phil
Phil,
Thank you so much for the nice words and the posting of these Grand Jury “news updates” on your website. You have a great looking site.. lots of good information.
I hope you don’t mind that I tell the folks that American Grand Jury is sponsoring an ONLINE Grand Jury hearing. That’s right we are going to put 25 jurors together behind closed doors in a “password protected” website and hammer out an indictment against Obama. Right now we have 17 jurors pledged. This is strickly voluntary and free to sign up. We need some more partiots to get involved so please visit our site if you are interested.
http://AmericanGrandJury.org
Best Wishes and thanks again — hat’s off to Phil at “TheRightSideofLife” website.
Bob Campbell