GA: First Common Law National Grand Jury Convenes; Indictment Returned; ECR Interview
As a follow up to the original report by attorney Stephen Pidgeon’s National Grand Jury concept, Dr. Taitz reports on the first such common law grand jury taking place:
The first Common Law, Citizens Grand Jury will convene today, March 28, 2009, at 1:00pm EST at 165 Burke St Stockbridge, Ga [View Map]
Details at http://www.riseupforamerica.com/
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq will be on phone conference for the trial.
We are attempting to hook this up on Skype Conference http://www.skype.com
If that doesn’t work, we have some with camcorders and Patrick Gibson said he will get it produce for later viewing.
More about Citizen Grand Juries: http://defendourfreedoms.org/activism.html
Update: According to RiseUpForAmerica.com, an indictment has been returned:
At approx. 4:15 p.m. March 28th in the city of Stockbridge Ga. the people of Georgia returned an Indictment against Barack Hussein Obama!!!!!!
25 Jurists, duly sworn in, heard tesitmony and in a unanimous vote, Indicted the usurper
It is unclear at this time that such an indictment would hold any weight with the Judiciary or any other aspect of the federal government. Further, I am awaiting further word on how things would go from here.
Update: EvilConservativeOnline reports further:
Stockbridge, Georgia- The questions over the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to occupy his current position as President of the United States continue to be raised. After being presented with evidence in the matter, a citizens’ grand jury convened by Carl Swensson in Georgia has returned an indictment against Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro aka Barry Sutoro.
Reportedly the sealed indictment, scheduled to be delivered to prosecutors on Monday, includes counts of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. “It’s a done deal, and the people of the State of Georgia demand action on this matter,” said Carl Swensson after the grand jury proceedings had finished. “I can’t comment on this other than to say that the sealed indictment will be delivered to prosecutors on Monday.”
Obviously, where this goes remains to be seen, but it’s one more sign that citizens are waking up and demanding that the allegations of fraud and forgery surrounding the eligibility of Obama be investigated.
Update: Commenter “Tychicus” found the following:
I wanted to know more about the grand jury in Georgia, so I google-ed and found this page.
Grand Jury Handbook
http://www.pacga.org/pubs/grand_jury_handbk.shtml
For more details on what, exactly, a common law grand jury is about, see Common Law Grand Jury:
NOTE: The following rules only apply to a republic such as the USA.
For a monarchy such as Great Britain substitute the word “baron” for “people”,
and substitute the word “subject” for “citizen”.
Also, in the USA, a peer is one of the people (not citizens).
In Great Britain, a peer is one of the nobility.
Common Law Grand Jury
Rules
APPLICABLE LAW The government must accept the Magna Carta as common law if pleaded as such.
Source: Confirmatio Cartarum, Article 1
www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/cartarum.htmBasic requirements and procedures for a common law grand jury:
Source: Magna Carta, Articles 52 & 61
www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/magna.htm#52
www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/magna.htm#61HOW CONSTITUTED
Grand jury members must be elected by the people (not citizens) of the jurisdiction in which they are operating.
There are no rules defining a procedure for how they are elected. The people, without the influence of government, decide for themselves how the grand jury members are elected.
There must be 25 members.
QUALIFICATIONS
The members must be “people” of the jurisdiction and not “citizens” of the jurisdiction.
For example, they must be “People of the United States,” or “People of California,” or “People of the State of California”; not “citizen of the United States,” nor “citizen of California,” nor “citizen of the State of California.”
www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/pvc.htm
http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/sovreign.htmEach member must be sworn in and promise to observe all of these rules and, so far as within his power, cause all the rules to be observed.
QUORUM
When the grand jury meets, if any are absent after being summoned, then those present constitute a quorum.
All decisions of grand jury are decided by majority vote of members present.
If any member dies or leaves the country, or in any other way is prevented from carrying out the grand jury’s decisions, the remaining grand jurors shall choose another to fill his place and he shall likewise be sworn in.
FINALITY OF DECISIONS
No decision of a grand jury is reviewable in any court of the government.
JURISDICTION
Any government transgression against anyone in any respect.
Any government breaking of articles of peace or security.
Any dispute regarding anyone who has been disseized or removed, by the government without a legal sentence of his peers, from his lands, castles, liberties or lawful right.
PROCEDURE I
Dispute SettlementIf the grand jury is informed of any dispute regarding anyone who has been disseized or removed (by the government without a legal sentence of his peers) from his lands, castles, liberties or lawful right, then the dispute shall be settled by the grand jury.
PROCEDURE II
EnforcementFour of the members must be shown that because of the government,
A. A transgression has occurred against any one in any respect, or
B. Some one of the articles of peace or security has been brokenThe four members must show to the government the government’s error.
The four members must ask the government to amend that error without delay.
If the government does not amend the error within 40 days after being shown the error, then the four members shall refer the matter to the remainder of the grand jury.
The grand jury may distrain and oppress the government in every way in their power, namely, by taking the homes, lands, possessions, and any way else they can until amends shall have been made according to the sole judgment of the grand jury.
LIMITATION OF POWERS
The grand jury may not imprison or execute any government personnel or their children.
PUBLIC SUPPORT
Anyone (people or citizen) who chooses to help enforce the grand jury decision must first swear that he will obey the mandates of the grand jury, and that with them to the extent of his power he will impose the grand jury’s decisions upon the government.
The authority to support the grand jury is pre-authorized by the government.
If anyone refuses to support a grand jury decision, the government will force him to swear his support of the grand jury.
LIMITATIONS ON GOVERNMENT
The government is prohibited from doing anything to diminish the effect of the grand jury.
If the government does prohibit or diminish the effectiveness of the grand jury, it shall be vain and invalid and may not be used in any later proceeding by the government or anyone else.
TERMINATION OF ENFORCEMENT
When all issues are settled to the satisfaction of the grand jury, things shall return to normal as they were before. No grudges.
Reactivating the Common Law Grand Jury
A Brief Strategy Suggestion
BACKGROUND When the colonies separated from England, King John retaliated by revoking the charters. Technically, the colonies were without any legal authority to operate. However, civics (the branch of political philosophy concerned with individual rights) was generally taught and known by the people who asserted their rights and maintained order by applying the common law. The people united in the form of common law grand juries and continued the functioning of government.
As the legislatures matured they slowly increased governmental power while simultaneously reducing personal sovereign power. This was done through a combination of passing pro-government legislation and reducing or eliminating education about civics. Today, two and a quarter centuries later, hardly anyone even knows the meaning of the word, “civics.”
Despite the fact that the state and federal constitutions still acknowledge the common law as the ultimate law system, people everywhere are conditioned to believe that the statutory law and codes are the only source of law. The only remaining common law term generally known among the public is “common law marriage.”
The common law grand jury is now dormant only because of the public ignorance of its powers that supercede all other government entities, including the modern statutorily defined grand jury. Awakening the grand jury will not be graciously accepted by the government. A strategy is needed to reintroduce this fundamental protection against tyranny and injustice.
STEP 1 – ESTABLISH LEGITIMACY
The first step is to get public acceptance. Every dictator in history understood the power of the people and cultivated their support either through enticements or threats. Reactivating the grand jury concept will go through four traditional stages: denial, ridicule, violent opposition, then self-evident acceptance.
Theoretically, the grand jury can meet anywhere, anytime. But that is hardly good image. One way to get public acceptance and minimize denial, ridicule, and violent opposition, is to hold the grand jury sessions in the public court house. The foreman could apply to a court administrator for use of one of the rooms in the public courthouse. If it is refused, then the court administrator should, under common law procedures, be sued for his dereliction of duty.
STEP 2 – GAIN PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE
The second step is to start small. The grand jury could take on issues which anyone can easily see should be prosecuted. As public acceptance increases, the grand jury can enlarge its field of inquiry. The grand jury should have a strong public relations program for this step.
STEP 3 – TAKE ON LARGER PROJECTS
The third step is to take on grander objectives. If the first two steps are well executed, then this step will be the easiest. With both legitimacy and acceptance established the grand jury can make itself felt.
-Phil
[...] you up on the “Common Law Grand Jury,” in Georgia? A coordinator of this, Carl Swenson will be a special guest on “The Awakening with Hanen and [...]
Phil,
Here again, I was not referring to this blog specifically. My hat is off to you as you do a good job in that respect. And, my comment is not meant to be defensive nor sarcastic. There are some blogs however, that the same cannot be said.
Sue,
If I ever find someone on my blog actually making such a threat, then a few things would happen:
1. You will never see the comment, as it would never be moderated;
2. The IP records of such comment would be traced;
3. Such a comment would be forwarded to the appropriate entities for the purposes of law enforcement.
In other words, I don’t think you have anything to worry about (except for this pesky blog that actually questions the authenticity of this President).
-Phil
“However, it’s a two-way street; should anything come from all of the banter being bandied about RE: eligibility, a lot of folks are going to be on record as being sorely mistaken.”
Phil,
Should any violent acts against the President, his wife, children, Supreme Court Justices, Judges, Deputy Clerk Danny Bickell, AG Holder, Congress, etc., etc. be attempted or carried out which results in a tragic ending; there are a lot of folks who are going to be on record for inciting people to carry out these acts of violence.
It seems the cadets of the Navel Academy must have been out to sea for a long time.
rrobin,
While I appreciate your kind words, to employ censorship to the degree that you’re suggesting would undermine exactly the point that my site is all about — for better or for worse, our republic stands for the messy aspect of open debate. It’s not always clear and clean, but it does take place and will continue to take place here.
As for me, personally, from time to time I take a more measured response against those I believe really aren’t listening to what I have to say. However, it’s a two-way street; should anything come from all of the banter being bandied about RE: eligibility, a lot of folks are going to be on record as being sorely mistaken.
-Phil
Hi Phil,
You sure are doing a heroic job of trying to respond to all these incessant Obots that infest your site, but it’s quite obvious that your trying to educate them is a waste of time.
But they’re wasting our time too.
Frankly, I personally would prefer that you simply start deleting their constant nonsense, and leave your comments open to your readers who want to have an intelligent discussion
The term is “obsolete” (and that’s very debatable, especially in respect to what Leo Donofrio has already pointed out regarding what SCOTUS has said on the issue), not “non-existent” or even “unconstitutional.”
I never said a grand jury was “obsolete” or “non-existent” or “unconstitutional.” (And Donofrio was discussing a presentment. Donofrio’s piece, in fact, discusses only federal grand juries, and not a common-law/citizen/national/Republic-of-Carl grand jury.)
The concept of a common law grand jury has simply been unused in recent history; that’s distinctly different from saying that it’s unusable.
The role and function of a grand jury has been extensively legislated and codified; as with the case with any common law, statutory law has superseded the common law.
Has anyone heard when and if Mr. Basso will make an appearance at the White House to confront the USURPER???? I hope Mr. Basso demands a plane like Nancy Pelousy uses to pick him up and take him home!! GO MR. BASSO….You have many Patriots behind you!
Bob,
Again, I don’t think you’re being factually correct. The term is “obsolete” (and that’s very debatable, especially in respect to what Leo Donofrio has already pointed out regarding what SCOTUS has said on the issue), not “non-existent” or even “unconstitutional.” The concept of a common law grand jury has simply been unused in recent history; that’s distinctly different from saying that it’s unusable.
-Phil
Considering the fact that juries have existed for a very long time before the founding of our nation, I’m not sure you’re being completely factual on this issue.
Regardless of how juries once operated, it is how they operate in the United States today.
Bob,
Considering the fact that juries have existed for a very long time before the founding of our nation, I’m not sure you’re being completely factual on this issue.
-Phil
Notice that I didn’t mention anything about how, specifically, a given jury is actually put together (I think that’s irrelevant, actually).
It is very relevant, actually. A jury that has the authority return an indictment (grand jury) or a verdict (petit jury) must be empaneled by an actual judge. Without a judge empaneling them, they can call themselves a “jury” or the “Republic of Carl” or whatever tickles their fancy, but have no legal authority.
Rather, I was addressing the fact that they are an independent body of people who render a decision that is then passed on to an entity of the Judiciary who then has the authority to either take it or leave it
If the jury was not duly empaneled, a judge has no choice but to “leave it.” A judge cannot act upon the actions of a national/citizen/common-law jury because such a jury was not duly appointed and has no legal authority to act.
(I think it’s true that a judge could render a decision that subsequently vacates a jury decision… no?).
A judge can overrule a petit jury’s verdict. And there are methods for a judge to dismiss a grand jury’s indictment.
Bob,
Scarily enough, we are actually agreeing. Notice that I didn’t mention anything about how, specifically, a given jury is actually put together (I think that’s irrelevant, actually). Rather, I was addressing the fact that they are an independent body of people who render a decision that is then passed on to an entity of the Judiciary who then has the authority to either take it or leave it (I think it’s true that a judge could render a decision that subsequently vacates a jury decision… no?).
-Phil
no jury anywhere has any kind of authority unless and until an entity of the Judiciary takes their finding(s) and officially acts on them.
A jury (grand or petit) is empaneled by a judge. A jury has the authority to return an indictment, render a verdict, etc. only after being so empaneled.
Otherwise, it isn’t a jury, but just some people having a tea party in some guy’s computer repair shop.
Natalie—Propaganda seems to be a wonderful thing where the USURPER is concerned!!
I ask you Phil “Why would they take a poll at the Naval Academy regarding the imposter showing up for the commencement?” Answer: So the usurper could fake the results. Also many of these Midshipmen may be intimidated to answer truthfully at this juncture as they know not which direction they go in with their future. My conclusions are once again simple and to the point. He has not produced, will not produce, and can not produce. See you on the flip side Natalie
“LIMITATION OF POWERS
The grand jury may not imprison or execute any government personnel or their children.”
Why did they feel the need to include this in their CGJ? Perhaps because someone suggested doing something like this????????
This is really a bunch of patriots. Especially the statement regarding children. I certainly hope this is not the case but unless it was perhaps suggested; no one would have thought about such a vile action.
The above statement clearly shows why there is a very strong probability that law enforcement agencies are monotoring them.
Sue,
In reality, no jury anywhere has any kind of authority unless and until an entity of the Judiciary takes their finding(s) and officially acts on them. This is precisely why we have trials by jury as well as federal grand juries; they are completely independent bodies of people composed of individuals that form a buffer between the entity accused of wrong-doing and the Judiciary/government. It is only when “we, the people of the jury find the Defendant ‘guilty’ | ‘not guilty’” gives their presentment to the judge or the prosecutor (or whomever) that the verdict actually becomes official.
-Phil
Reality Check chortled,
Best three-phase plan since the South Park Underpants Gnomes.
http://www.rense.com/general59/9111g.htm
Here is one “very significant” difference in the above Grand Jury and the “Kangaroo Court” that was held in Georgia over the weekend.
“The Citizens’ Grand Jury is composed of 25 average Americans of diverse ethnic, national, religious and professional backgrounds – including a 9/11 family member, a private investigator, a medical doctor, a college student, a therapist, an educator, the director of personnel and training for a major union, an author on the holocaust, and a retired forensic investigator. They issued today’s findings after several days of consideration on the language of the findings, adding extensive demands for withheld evidence.”
And, even with this significant difference, they had absolutely no authority whatsoever. Publicity stunt if you asked me but it doesn’t appeared to have worked, huh?
“Patrick: I don’t know what Dr. Taitz is doing at your website as I have never visited there. I cannot imagine though that Dr. Taitz would take the time to attack another fellow citizen unless she was attacked and harrassed first by that person.”
The individuals in question have done no more that what Dr. Taitz and her patriots have done. I can list numerous published articles on her blog where she instructs her patriots to call, write letters, fax, etc., etc. fellow citizens and elected officials simply because they don’t agree with her opinions and cause. When Dr. Taitz and her patriots do this, you call it patriotism. When Obama supporters simply write one or two little letters, you call it attacking and harrassing. Two sets of rules.
“Am going to the Tea Party in Toledo. Can you guys please help me think up a slogan for my protest sign?”
Yes, Carol, I can think of numerous slogans for your protest sign, but Phil won’t let them get through moderation.(:
Carol
Tea party should also focus on the ineligibility issue
how about
BAIL OUTS = SOCIALISM = FAILURE !
SAY NO TO PELOSI , REID, and OBAMA the USURPER !
BAIL OUT CONGRESS ELITISTS !
TAKE THIS BAIL OUT AND SHOVE IT !
STOP THE INSANE SPENDING !
THE NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION –
PROTEST TAXATION BY
USURPER REPRESENTATION
TAXATION BY NON REPRESENTATIVE REPS !!
Did you guys see this.. Obama is giving the commencement sppech at the Naval Academy!! The cadets there are very excited about it. Obama was their number one pick with 88% of the students choosing him for their commencement speaker. Looks like that branch of the military adores him. Go figure!