Comments on: Electoral College: It’s All About the Electors

By: Jean

Jean — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:55:38 +0000

The ObamaFiles Chart was very interesting. I know that Denofrio also believes McCain is not eligible to be POTUS because of his Panama birth. Maybe this is the REAL reason that the Republicans did not want to expose Obama’s ineligiblity, because McCain was also ineligible, regardless of Congress’ non-binding resolution stating the contrary.

Maybe Ralph Nader was the only eligible candidate with the highest amount of votes. Maybe we should contact him. He would have standing.

By: Music Producer

Music Producer — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:20:27 +0000

Only one little problem with that–the Constitution itself. Amendments require 3/4 of the states to ratify them.

By: bob strauss

bob strauss — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:03:15 +0000

let’s have some faith in justice Scalia, that he may seriously be looking at cort’s and leo’s case up for 12/12/08 at SCOTUS. I believe he knows this is the perfect case to establish once and for all, so there is no longer any doubt as to the meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. I have seen stories, mainly from “Obama’s”(Barry Soetoro’s supporters that the meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN has never been fully explained. Well, here is the explanation, properly spelled out, in plain english. Oh, and guess what “Obama” doesn’t qualify.

By: Frank Lake

Frank Lake — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:27:10 +0000

Oh sure they could! But the results of such an action would be ruinous for themselves and the country at large because it would look like an attempted coup-de-ta(spl) by the Democratic Party!

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By: Joe Six-Pack

Joe Six-Pack — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:37:48 +0000

Congress could try and pass an emergency constitutional amendment to allow Obama to become president. They could leverage money to get the financially broke states to approve the amendment.

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By: Stock

Stock — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:14:33 +0000

Heather-as to that attorney-he needs to do his own research. If he was retained by an Elector to advise them, then he would be committing malpractice -if he did not.

By: Natural Born

Natural Born — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:13:15 +0000

No, Phil, I am not offended, nor is your response patronizing: yes, the laws have no force if they care not being enforced, even if the laws are just and their violation remains unjust. The only way to avoid a constitutional crisis if Obama is inaugerated, would be for him to temporality step down, for the constitution to be amended, with Biden as President, and then have Biden nominate Obama as VP and them himself resign, to have Obama nominate Biden. Then the Constituution would be upheld and there would be no reason for anyone to object. Otherwise, I can forsee a lot of folks foregoing paying federan income tax, on the ground that a usuerper is in office, not to mention a lot of other constitutional problems…

By: Eric

Eric — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:50:57 +0000

Heather,
I just talked to Eric Martin and he said that he isn’t involved in any way with the Virginia electors. He said that he hasn’t done election law for several years. He was very pleasant and most willing to talk.

Perhaps someone else is representing them.

Eric

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:33:04 +0000

Natural Born,
Though this may sound somewhat patronizing, I have to give you a “congratulations” for swerving into a very important concept of the law. That is, law _enforcement_.
As you are probably aware, having 10,000 laws on the books means absolutely nothing if no entity is actually going to enforce those laws.
Further, this is one of a handful of times in American history where a candidate’s eligibility has ever come into question; the question then becomes, “Who’s willing to take the responsibility of validating the certification?”
If, at this time, the many Secretaries of State aren’t willing to do so, and the parties believe a self-ascribing certificate of eligibility suffices, then it’s up to the Electoral College and/or Congress to be the ultimate arbiters of this issue.
In this posting, I do not say that the Electors are _required_ to do anything except directly vote for President. A very real issue for them, however, is if they’re completely confident that Barack Obama is who he says he is.
-Phil

By: Natural Born

Natural Born — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:27:19 +0000

Phil, I don’t every agree to disagree, because that is nonesensical. Either “natural born citizen” has an objective meaning before and apart from any decision of a court or the Senate or the Electoral College, or it does not mean anything.

If it has such a meaning, then the Senate, the courts and the Electoral College ought to apply it. If it has no meaning, we ought not be talking about it!

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:15:18 +0000

Natural Born,
Then we agree to disagree, for if the Judiciary at all levels of America decide it’s not in their jurisdiction to make such a decision, it must fall, necessarily, to either the Electoral College (by, at the very least, not voting for the man) and/or to Congress, by making a motion to object to certification of Electoral College votes.
Thanks for commenting,
-Phil

By: Natural Born

Natural Born — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:12:29 +0000

Phil, you are very wrong and misleading to imply that it is up to the Electors to decide what a Natural Born citizen is or if Obama is a natural born citizen.

As the son of a Britich citizen and an American minor, he is not a natural born US citizen, only at the most a native citizen.

de Vattle’s Law of the Nations, published at the time of our Constitution, defines a natural born citizen of any nation as the child of two citizens of that nation, which child is born on the soil of that nation.

Obama does not meet this definition: therefore the Electors must ignore his candidacy if they want their vote to go to an eligible candidate

By: Heather

Heather — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:07:36 +0000

The Virginia Electors have hired an attorney to investigate and advise them on Obamaâ€™s citizenship. I posted earlier to several blogs asking people to send the attorney the information he needs to make his decision. I just talked to his office and they told me nodbody has sent any information other than the letter I sent him. This is a chance to actually do something – why isnt anyone helping?!?! The lawyer is Eric Martin, McGuire Woods LLP, 901 East Cary Street, Richmond, Virginia 23219. PLEASE HELP- TIME IS SHORT