What if the Supremes Deny Writ for Donofrio v. Wells, Other Cases?
As of the date of this posting, the Supreme Court has been officially silent on the results of its Friday, December 5 Conference in which cases like Donofrio v. Wells were being considered (see my “Supreme Court Info” section on the sidebar for docket info). As explained in a previous posting, the odds are honestly against Leo Donofrio having his case heard; there are plenty of folks on both sides postulating on the results.
So, let’s say that the case gets denied, thereby theoretically meaning that the lower courts’ decisions hold. What then? As TexasDarlin speculates, does the Constitution mean anything? How do we go about ensuring that we never get into this type of situation to begin with?
Originally, I had posted that while a background check on candidates may be unconstitional and that we need to focus on the State level for a long term solution, we probably need to go further with this concept.
Here’s the situation regarding candidate eligibility as I now see it:
- Most of the nation’s Secretary of State lawsuits have been denied on the premises that (1) the Plaintiff(s) lack standing: the legal ability to petition the court for a redress of grievances; and (2) the Secretary of State office has no jurisdiction to verify candidate eligibility.
- Since America is a federal system, we have State-based elections for federal officeholders; historically, Congress has been loathe to tinker too much with requiring a federal, overarching policy requiring all States to direct their elections in a certain manner. In theory, this could be unconstitutional as well. This would indicate that Congress prefers to delegate such issues to the State or local levels.
- If the Supreme Court were to begin denying the eligibility cases that are currently or may be before it, that would send the signal that a citizen’s redress of grievances will not be heard by the nation’s Judiciary. However, this would also indicate that the Supreme Court is expecting the States to handle the situation, since Congress would probably want to side-step the issue.
- Citizen action at the State level via the State judiciary or State legislative branches would be, in theory, where such redresses would need to go.
If you read through Berg v. Obama’s documenation from when it was in Philadelpha federal court, you will see that the defense, in part, uses the fact that there is currently no enforcement mechanism in place for court jurisdiction to enforce constitutional eligibility requirements. Frankly, this is unacceptable and must be addressed as soon as possible.
Everyone is pointing fingers: the Secretary of State tends to say the political party is responsible for vetting; the political party merely receives a self-ascribing document wherein the candidate declare themselves eligible (how bizarre is that?); and the State judiciary is saying that the Secretary of State rules.
Therefore, should the Supreme Court decide to not hear any of the cases that are currently or will be before it, then it would be up to the American citizens — especially those of “We the People” who are willing to wage “The Art of Conservative Political War” — to get back to the State level and create the mechanism (as being tracked here and here) to enforce the fact that our Constitution requires candidates for federal offices such as the Presidency to be eligible.
-Phil
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Pete,
As I’ve mentioned to other commenters here, SCOTUS isn’t going to do anything at this point, because the Legislative branch must first run its course. The Legislative has a significant opportunity shortly, and that is to count and subsequently certify the Electoral College’s votes. SCOTUS isn’t going to stop that process.
However, SCOTUS could be brought in after the Legislative has exhausted the electoral process to make a legitimate decision.
Thanks for commenting,
-Phil
Superdog is correct, I’m having a hard time accepting the reality hundred of thousands of Americans have died to protect the concepts in this document, so now it can be utterly ignored. The SCOTUS has basically said the Constitution is no longer valid, or for that matter important. The basic concept of explaining the term ‘Natural Born’, a Constitutional requirement for POTUS and acceptance into West Point/Naval Academy, was rejected despite everyone stating that it is a poorly defined term. When defining the Constitution becomes to ‘politically hot’ for the SCOTUS, then truly we have lost freedom. The people who cannot grasp reality, are those who don’t see the potential future consequences of these types of decisions. History is littered with failed democracy/republic that have chosen a popular individual over the rule of law.
Boy…some people have a hard time accepting reality. He’s a US citizen born on US soil to his US citizen mother. All facts that are verified. The constitution has absolutely no definition for a “natural born” citizen. In fact, the term “natural born” only appears once in the constitution and is never defined. Over the years it has been defined by the courts as a citizen of the US who is either a citizen by blood (one or more parents being US citizens at the time of birth) or a citizen by the law of the land (anyone born on US soil is also born a US citizen regardless of their parent’s citizenship). Donofrio attempted to redefine the terms of eligibility for POTUS and failed miserably. The other cases were full of mistakes and lacked factual evidence and not worth the time of the highest court of the land. They got it right. What I’m wondering is when Obama starts doing well even with the overwhelming odds against him and saves these people’s jobs and houses what will they say then???
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Wayne,
Hey, thanks a lot for the plug and the comment.
-Phil
I’ve added your post (quote and link) to the Jeremiah Films’ Blogwatch on Barry Soetoro, which contains a collection of links leading up to where we are now.
Here is the link to the excerpt for this post
[...] Basically, this means the matter should be handled back at the State level (per the wikipedia entry for certiorari; see my thoughts here). [...]
Obama mother could not transfer her us citizenship to her son as she had not met the requirements to transfer to her son. So he is a British Citizen by his father and then by his stepfather who adopted him he is a Kenya and on his school records he said Barry Soroto Muslim lives in Indonisian.
If the SC cannot uphold the Constitution that why do we have the Court. They are suppose to know The Constituion and interrept with knowlege and truth. Obama wants Justice Thomas off the SC and Justice Souter off. He want to put in Leftest Justices that will state the Constiutiion is invalid in this day and time. We should get rid of it. All of this was posted on his website until he changed. He said his father was of British Decent.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BY ‘POPULAR VOTE’ THE CONSTITUTION COULD BE IGNORED. If there is no mechanism in place THE SUPERIOR COURT MUST PROPOSE AND EMERGENCY mandate and become the mechanism.
Denofrio is an amazing character. He should run for something…
I realize he’s dogmatic but we need more of that!
Did anyone notice, by the way…that this thing has great potential for identifying and uprooting corrupt officials!!
Just speculating but…
OK So, if they uphold the Constitution in the Supreme Court ….they create some kind of delay and review a few of the cases meanwhile they issue a ‘STAY’ of the Electoral Vote. So, finally the mainstream media picks up and people start to become aware. The Supremes deliberate over ‘cases’ until mid Jan..(while they already know their decision) basically so the general public has time to examine what really happened in this election. ALSO that even without the Natural Born issue there were a lot of problems ie fraud and manipulation of the vote anyway. So, people become a little more comfortable with the idea of a new candidate. They have Bush stay on 4 months and hold a new election.
Although my personal opinion is if the DNC did such a lousy job of vetting their candidate (then covering) they should lose the opportunity to present a candidate. (We all really know deep down at this point Obama was born in Kenya and as well demonstrates loyalty there even politically. He also in other ways demonstrates lack of allegiance)
Meanwhile the Republicans…now McCain’s case is not the same
since loyalty is the real issue with the ‘Natural Born’ qualification and few of us have demonstrated allegiance to our country as he has…
DO you really think that the framers of the Constitution meant to reject a military official because he and his father were so dedicated to their country they spent enormous time in the military? Did we have any wars going on at the time 1800’s on international grounds that the situation would have come to mind?
It may or not be clear to any of you that you will not change the direction this country is going. I am with you 100% that the laws of this country need to be upheld. You can take any excuse from the Supreme Court not to hear this case as simply they are in on it. Yes there is a “THEY “. They are about to pull off the biggest coup deta in the history of this world. I want you to get use to the Idea now so you can decide whether or not you are a true patriot. They will disarm those who have guns,and take political prisoners of all who opose them. They will change laws and times to fit their agenda. Im sorry to tell you this, but it is near the end. Obama is in fact going to be the first president since Truman to use nuclear devices. Go buy food and water, and get out of the cities. Especailly Washington (the Whore). you got 6 weeks. I think we have seen the worlds reaction to our diplomatic way of conducting foriegn relations. I believe that they will resond. I believe that as they have told us there will be terror and nuclear war. Not all our government is involved but the ones who are not are being restrained out of fear.
If the natural born rule is true as Donofrio expains it, than even the forged certificate rules Obama out of being eligible for POTUS. It states that his father IS an African, not an American.
I am reaonably sure that the burden of proof is on Obama. It is rational and in accord with the rules of evidence to assume that Obama is not a “natural born citizen” until he proves otherwise.
Max,
When you assert that “Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen”, you fall into a trap called the burden of proof.
Unless and until you can provide evidence that will stand up in court, your assertion is unfounded, and will fail.
This not a political case…It is a Constitutional case…We are about to swear into office a presidential candidate who is Not A Natural Born Citizen, which is required by the U.S. Constitutional…This precisely what the Supreme Court is meant to intercede in & prevent. They are the final guardians of the Constitution.
It is the Duty of the Supreme Court to uphold the Constitution. Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen… It does not matter at this point how we got here or how to fix it so it does not happen again … (Actually the only “FIXED†is by the Democrat & Republican Parties by giving us two candidates that are NOT natural born citizens & if this does go through it will set a precedent. Very NAIVE to think this will be CORRECTED…Will get much worse…Political Parties, MSM will usurp the Constitution)….We have crossed the Rubicon… Will the Supreme Court Justices have it in them do uphold the Constitution that they swore an oath to no matter the consequences? … An Constitutional requirement for eligibility to be President of the United States is to be a Natural Born Citizen. Only way to change this is an amendment…Well we will see…
Actually, if SCOTUS does not hear Donofrio’s case, it does not signify much other than they do not want to get involved in political cases: they could instead respond confidentially to the president of the Senate, giving their opinion about eligibility of the candidates, and let the process evisioned in the Constitutionn play out there.
If they decline to hear Donofrio’s case, the uproar of the people will only lead with all the more certainty to some group of congressmen questioning eligibility on Jan 6…